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Summary

Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.

Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 95 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We did it, Patrick! We saved Palestine!

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yay, no more genocide! I knew both sides were the same.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Technically, a successful genocide stops. If the goal was specifically that the genocide would end more quickly, then I suppose they got what they wanted.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I hate that I'm upvoting this.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Sorry, I'm hard of hearing. I think you asked for extra genocide? That’s our new chef’s speciality!

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago (19 children)

Good thing we didn't vote for those democratic genocidists

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“I don’t want basic Genocide, I want to evolve to stage 2 Genocidonite”

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.

So I guess this isn't worse?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

i don't understand that crowd at all. how do you look at kamala's promise to stay the course, and donald trumps promise to send even more aid, and not understand it is possible to send more. there is not a ceiling to more. our military industrial complexeis very capable of delivering more.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't either, but more than one person told me that. I even heard it after she lost.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago

absolutely. i even ran into someone who thought that in meatspace and it's like… how do you fall for this obvious bullshit so easy?

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[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

This is nothing new, it's just a next step that would have been taken regardless.

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago

I don't get why they're still going at it over this. This lefty infighting is exactly why fascists that hate each other somehow manage to gain ground.

There's nothing wrong with using what little power one had in voting blue. It doesn't mean they're "pro-genocide". We're elbow-deep in a shitty system where we had two awful friggin choices, and the system is designed so that objection is simply removing your voice entirely.

I can understand that rationale on a moral level, to want to abstain from this nonsense entirely. I get it. But also there's no way we could've convinced the majority of a brainwashed country to say "none of these." (That's not even an option on many ballots btw). It'd be awesome! But not realistic.

But for the people actively bashing those who voted blue in last-ditch desperation, seriously can you not understand it? Believe me, we know the Dems bring nothing to the table besides "Not being those guys." I doubt there were so many "Kamala fans" compared to how many were "Not this Cheeto-Toddler shit again" fans.

It's not about "enabling genocide" or not, to those folks. We figured that a blue win would mean a government that could still be swayed by the people to act against violence, even if the chance was slim!

This compared to a tyrannical regime that will simply iron-fist any dissent to their single-minded aims, and actively make the world worse every day.

We had a razor-thin chance to give ourselves just a little more time to change things.

But here we are:

  • It was a struggle to motivate people to vote at all.
  • Apathetic squabbling over moral nuance didn't stand a chance against zealoutous fanaticism.
  • What now? Can we finally demolish the Democratic party for failing us while replacing it with those who would speak for us?

It's time we learn to get along and focus on what is and claw for every inch of ground if we're going to fix anything. Because they aren't going to give us any breathing room while we keep dunking on each other for not being "pure enough for the cause."

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[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Revive" suggests that this goal was ever dead. Israel has been progressively seizing Palestinian land in the West Bank for half a century.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

they're communicating something about their timeframe… they're announcing they're about to accelerate again…

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The “I did this” sticker is getting pretty wide what with Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Xi, and the American voter all on it.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems like the point, no? Diffuse the responsibility such that the worst atrocities are "everyone's fault".

Kinda reminds me of climate change inaction

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Revive? When was it dead exactly? They seemed to be going Full Tilt for the last couple years. Nothing was stopping them.

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[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 24 points 6 months ago

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

If you think this is new and is only happening because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention and are falling for propaganda.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Israeli settlers never killed the idea.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 months ago

Cool, so we can finally dispose the myth of Israel being a democracy, get over chasing the chimera of a two state solution, and crystallize the struggle to the simple, unambiguous goal of ending Jewish supremacy and the apartheid and establishing a democratic republic with equality and rights for everyone from the river to the sea. Cool.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Yes I'm sure the 4 settlers Biden sanctioned for 3 weeks, definitely threw a wrench into Israel's plan of overtaking the west bank.

It'll totally be because Trump takes office and not because settlers didn't just get 14 months of free land grabbing with zero repercussions on top of their yearly land stealing antics ever since Israel's inception.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

They were calling for annexation of the west bank a month ago, gaza violence never stopped, and they are doing the same now in Lebanon. Are we now pretending that Biden was holding them back? He clearly wasnt.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 6 months ago

He even came out to stop Bernie’s proposal to stop arms shipments to Israel, and called the ICC arrest warrant of Netanyahu and Gallant “outrageous” just to drive home the point.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

People have called for it but it slowed during the war etc. There's a reason Smotrich waited until after the American election to announce that he was tasking government officials to draw up plans etc.

Gaza violence is not the same as annexing the West Bank.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Things didnt slow down past the immediate issue of having to redeploy some settler terrorists from the Westbank to Gaza.

Overall they accelerated a lot already in 2024.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 6 months ago
[–] BruceAlrighty@lemmy.nz 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

Okay, but this was all done under Biden not Trump?

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

A whole lot of coping in this thread by people who were previously doing a lot of work trying to get Trump elected...

"Nuh uh, Netanyahu said this before and he was going to do it anyway!"

I would say that I worry about their mental health, but fuck them.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The smug liberal leans back in his chair.

"That will show them for not voting properly. If only they had voted. I did my one and only civic duty of voting, and it was for the less bad candidate. They're too busy marching and protesting and organizing to see that the only thing we can all do is vote. If only they voted properly."

[–] Tarzan9192@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (8 children)

It's a fact that Trump will hurt their cause more than Kamala. Protest all you want. But also vote for whatever may help your cause. I don't understand why people don't understand this.

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