I strongly disagree with the decision to centralize all ukraine war news in a megathread.
That's not how information is consumed on a medium like Lemmy. What you're doing makes the topic invisible for the vast majority of users.
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I just realized that this is an active thread, I thought the feed hadn't updated since June 25th, as many other community feeds are intermittent or have multi day lags. Maybe have a daily thread or something to indicate aliveness?
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Does anyone else think that being seen as weak and capitulating to Prigozhin here is basically a death sentence to Putin?
Doing that has to have just put SO MUCH blood in the water for every internal agency/power-block with aspirations of taking him down and replacing him.
Apparently all you need is 20,000 men and Putin's defenceless...
My opinion is that this is going to cause chaos.
The fact that Putin didn't have Wagner immediately atomized on the spot suggests that he wasn't powerful enough to do so. Not a statement that someone in Putin's position would want to make, I would think.
Of course we both are speculating without any proof, I am also merely speaking of my gut feeling.
I have been thinking that the rhetoric of saying Putin is weak because Prigozhin was able to momentarily rebel is kind of wishful thinking. I think weak is a pretty strong word.
If Putin is as weak as some of us think he is, Prigozhin would have continued to march towards Moscow already.
At the same time, if Putin is as strong as some of us think he is, his army would have reached Kyiv with a new regime installed already.
Hence the truth should be lying somewhere in between, for now.
I know it's not something many people want to hear because it isn't a polarized statement, for example, it's not as exciting as saying Putin is super strong and can nuke everything, we better bow down to him or Ukraine is super strong and can occupy Moscow tomorrow, let's give them F-35.
The reality is war is a boring and extremely slow meat grinder. Sometimes you cannot stop it once it's started (because deaths can be remembered for a long time) and sometimes you cannot avoid it (forever appeasement is not far from escalating the situation and empowering the bully which is worse off). I can only wish that Ukraine winning the war can prevent the potential China-Taiwan war from happening.
When new weapons arrive on site, I expect things to change. I wish Ukraine get Crimea back.
Clearly, if Prigozhin marched, it's because he thought it as having a valid chance of success. He left because he was paid what he wanted, be it money or power, etc. Putin, notably capitulated
He did not carpet bomb the fuck, so to speak, out of the traitors. Those threatening his reign. It tells much for those who wish to hear.
A lot of people are saying that this weakened Putin, put the seed of rebellion in the minds of people, etc. But i disagree. The problem with Russia is that it isnt authoritarian enough. You might think that it is funny that i say this but it is true. The most unstable governments are the ones who havent gone full authoritarian or full democratic. It's the middle area that is dangerous. With this war, Russia was becoming more and more authoritarian. And now after the coup, the deal will be sealed.
Putin will unify the military and use this coup as an excuse to clamp things down even more. Noone would even be allowed to have any kind of personal military, noone would be allowed to say anything against the government. This was already the case before but now it will be even more. Prigozhin was talking shit for over a year, Putin realizes that it was a mistake to let that happen.
As long as things in Ukraine remain somewhat static(or better for Russia), Putin is safe. If Russia losses Zaporizhia, Putin will be in danger.
PS The failed coup against Erdogan also empowered him and allowed him to consolidate power and purge the opposition.
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Traffic restrictions on Russia's M-4 Don highway remain in force in Moscow, Tula regions:
Ukraine war: Russia accused of planting explosives at nuclear plant, children injured in strike:
Ukraine claims 'explosive devices' planted on roof of Zaporizhzhia nuclear facility:
Hi all ... kind of a meta non-news question.
I've been thinking about getting a person who writes great Russia-Ukraine threads over on Mastodon to post their threads here. I've got a general post about the possibility here: https://lemmy.ml/post/1528973.
I've also pestered @sabbah@lemmy.world via DM.
Just wondering what your thoughts are on whether there'd be a good fit here.
The main point is to make it as easy as possible for them by allowing them to post from mastodon still. So the ideal would be that they would create new posts here and create a thread within that post, to which people would be free to comment on of course.
Except that doesn't seem to fit within the rules here, especially rule [1.1] Submissions must be links to news articles..
Thing is, this person's threads are full of citations of or links to Telegram sources from within Russia or the region, basically a thread of primary sources that the author is compiling into a digestible narrative. It might really be something people here would appreciate, especially as I discovered them through links provided in a megathread on here.
Sooo ... I'm wondering what you think and whether there might be some scope to alter the rules and allow for this sort of thing ... the idea would be that it's something like a journalist live reporting.
Hi,
While Rule [1.1] applies to the main submission post, we would like to clarify that in the case of our mega thread, posting links to social media sources (such as Mastodon) is acceptable as they will be placed in the comments section of the thread.
As of now, we don't have much experience with cross-posting from Mastodon to Lemmy. However, if you can provide us with some examples, we can explore the possibility of incorporating it in some way. Your input and examples would greatly assist us in understanding the process better and potentially adopting it within our community.
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Looks like nafo has moved onto Mastodon guys!
Pro-Ukrainian talk has been hampered on Twitter, so its time to just spread NAFO-like talk to Mastodon. There's no more benefit to using Twitter for this.
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Lukashenko shares some more details about the day of Prigozhin's mutiny.
He reveals there were no defense lines in Russia up until 200 km from Moscow (some regions are more equal than others?) and carefully chooses words to present Putin as a strong leader, while pointing out it was Lukashenko who did all the negotiating.
New aid package to Ukraine from Australia announced
*"70 additional vehicles will include 28 armoured trucks, and 28 M113 armoured vehicles, taking the total gifted to 56. It also includes 14 special operations vehicles. It will also fund additions to artillery ammunition, and $10m to the UN office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs.
“This is about helping the Ukrainian people with shelter, health services, clean water and sanitation,” prime minister Albanese says.
This additional support will make a real difference, helping the Ukrainian people who continue to show great courage in the face of Russia’s illegal, unprovoked and immoral war. It is sobering that 16 months on from Russia’s invasion, its brutal conflict continues."*
Wagner boss to leave Russia as reports say US spy agencies picked up signs of planned uprising days ago:
Is Russia purging Wagner Group troops in Africa?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/vladimir-putin/russia-purging-wagner-group-troops-africa-rcna93183
New ISW update for the 25th of June
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-25-2023
Wagner boss Prigozhin is in Russia, Belarus ruler Lukashenko says:
I like how Prigozhin could just waltz in after the getting a pass for staging a coup. It shows how Putin has gone weak.
The US will provide cluster munitions to Ukraine as part of a new military aid package: AP sources
Where are the bases the Wagner group are returning to? I hope they are not returning to fight against Ukrainians.
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Authorities not to persecute Wagner fighters participating in mutiny — Kremlin:
‘We need a lot more’: Lack of firepower hampers Ukraine’s advance on Zaporizhzhia front line As Ukraine’s top army general has put it, every metre of ground in the country’s counteroffensive is being won “with blood”. The Ukrainian soldiers’ progress is particularly gruelling in the southeastern Zaporizhzhia region. FRANCE 24’s Gwendoline Debono reports from the front line, where Russian forces are giving Ukraine’s artillerymen no respite.
Russian strike against Kherson kills 2
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The Dnipro river at Zaporizhzhia city before and after the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam.
#Zaporizhzhia #Ukraine #Dnipro
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Russia hits Security Service building in Sumy on 3 July – Zelenskyy
This morning the Moscow region was attacked by unknown drones. An explosion is reported on the territory of a military unit in Kubinka, the neighboring Vnukovo airport has stopped accepting aircraft.
https://mastodon.social/@noelreports@mstdn.social/110654348854138696
Russian arrested filming anti-ukraine, anti-lgbt film in Moscow area.
*Ukrainian forces widened their control at Lobkove/P'yatykhatky and reached the outskirts of Robotyne.
Furthermore, Russians have deployed their reserves to stop the Ukrainian advance while Ukrainians still haven't deployed their main force.
#Ukraine #Counteroffensive #Zaporizhzhia * https://newsie.social/@Tendar/110651371008698222
In Russia, they've begun to destroy cemeteries of dead fighters of the Wagner PMC.
Wagner: Leaked images show Prigozhin 'disguised as Libyan commander':
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/wagner-leader-prigozhin-leaked-images-disguise-libya-commander
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