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38 House Republicans give Trump the finger in shutdown vote (www.thedailybeast.com)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world
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Summary

A potential U.S. government shutdown looms after 38 House Republicans joined Democrats in rejecting a Trump-backed spending bill, which included a debt ceiling increase.

Trump derailed Speaker Mike Johnson’s initial bipartisan plan, causing GOP infighting and weakening Johnson’s leadership.

MAGA allies Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy rallied for a shutdown, angering GOP moderates.

The failure could furlough federal workers and disrupt holiday travel.

Frustration grows within the GOP over chaotic negotiations, foreshadowing future challenges under Trump’s second-term agenda.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

A real mess. Happy Shutdown Day.

Washington Post: “One major reason 38 Republicans opposed the bill is because of the last-minute insertion to lift the debt limit. It’s a congressional requirement that is usually necessary every couple of years, but one that no Republican likes to do and many refuse to vote for.”

“Trump had been asking Johnson to lift the debt ceiling before he takes office, two House GOP sources familiar with the request said. But one of the sources said Johnson had been reluctant because he said he doesn’t have the votes.”

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

because of the last-minute insertion to lift the debt limit

Last minute? Wasn't that the whole intent?

*Now that I'm reading the article:

Trump threw Johnson a surprise curveball by demanding lawmakers increase the U.S. debt ceiling—an issue that previously had nothing to do with negotiations to avoid a government shutdown.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The original intent was to fund the government. The debt ceiling is a much different thing.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought it was funding the government by increasing the debt ceiling.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

The debt ceiling does not need to be increased to fund the government at this time. This was a Trump demand to suspend the debt limit 2 years.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A limit increase is different from lifting the limit. The wording is admittedly quite similar, but lifting means removing completely. So this whole song and dance never happens again.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Indeed; the debt limit forces Congress to show up for work and make decisions, including ones that aren’t politically expedient. If it is permanently lifted, the executive suddenly has an unlimited checking account, with limited accountability. Having that limit is what keeps congress in control of what gets done.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago

I don't think having that limit realistically affects much other than government employees having to work unpaid for a while, but it is an area I feel like a compelling case could be made either way.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that be removing the limit? To me "lifting the limit" means increasing it.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm only stating what the facts are. Often as it relates to law "lift" has an alternative meaning of to remove. Sometimes you see it with "lifting a ban" or "lifting restrictions".

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Now that I read the article:

Trump threw Johnson a surprise curveball by demanding lawmakers increase the U.S. debt ceiling—an issue that previously had nothing to do with negotiations to avoid a government shutdown.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

Thanks for that. The site doesn't load for me with my current settings, so I figured it was more of this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-abolishing-debt-ceiling-rcna184820

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People know that Trump isn't going to be there for them in the next election cycle.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And I bet they're just waiting for the day he finally kicks the bucket. He did what they wanted him to do, namely deliver them a win. As there won't be another one, he's no longer useful.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Look at how MLK became a conservative icon after he died.

Ray Bradbury called out Obama for not funding more space flights; after Ray died he was suddenly a life long GOP

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He also has little to no loyalty. He'd throw anyone under the bus to make a dollar.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Did you see the pictures of his first wife's grave?

He planted her on a golf course because you can't tax a cemetery

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana-trump-grave-weeds/

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago

They could make peace (aka Johnson could shut up and choke down some orange D) but I don't see Trump and our truculant Speaker really getting along well. Johnson is a principled corrupt shitbag, an actual Christian nationalist, while Trump just uses Xian nationalism as a prop.

[–] AraJuSanja@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can someone explain this to me I’m not a U.S. citizen… trump isn’t even the acting president yet so this makes no sense to me..

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He has no official power, but a lot of current Republican congressmen are spineless little shits who will do anything he tells them to do. And apparently Elon wants the government shut down so bullied trump into pushing for it

[–] AraJuSanja@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for simplifying it and explaining it to me. How do you feel about Elon musk being involved in politics? It’s a little scary I think

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago

It's horrific and the logical conclusion of allowing billionaires to buy lawmakers. Now they're just being completely direct about it instead of hiding behind other lobbyists.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's honestly just business as usual in American politics, our leaders have been corporate puppets for decades. The only scary part is that they think their victory is so absolute that they can drop the mask.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why does Musk want to shut down the gov? Does he gain something from it?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The right wing essentially wants to destroy the government, because they think the free market solves everything.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

They don't think the free market solves everything. They think a weaker government is easier to control and that struggling government workers are easier to buy.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 months ago

He may want to shut down some agencies that are currently investigating/ prosecuting him until trump actually gets in, like the national labor relations board and the epa.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

As someone not in the US, I'm hoping someone can explain.

Trump isn't in office yet. How can he have any say in this, other than just blowing hot air?

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

99.99% of GOP members are spineless cowards that will do whatever their daddy tells them to.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Translation: They are scared of backlash from his supporters and donors. Figuratively speaking, our legislators are bought, not elected.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago

President Musk is threatening to use daddy's money to primary anyone who doesn't lick Trump's diaper ring

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is decided by the House of Representatives, which is currently controlled by the GOP. They can't get their act together to decide to do either what they were working on for months, or do what Trump says (he wants to add a debt level increase), or do what musk says (refuse to pass it).

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

People realize trump, elon, and the magat cult want the government shut down? This is exactly what they wanted. They want it shut down until trump is in. Go listen to what Victoria Spartz, one of the 38 repubs that voted no said on fox news. They want Johnson out as speaker and elon in. And every other Republican is blaming the dems for shutting the government down, not those 38. THE CULT GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I don't necessarily like their reasoning, but I'll take their votes.