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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 72 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Looks like I'm not reading their article.

We require your consent for the use of cookies and other technologies by us and our partners (393) to store and process personal data on your device.

Consent dialog is not conforming law.

And man, even if you go into the settings of the consent dialog, I hate these kinds of misleading toggles. Which option do you think is active?

Ironic.

[–] viking 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Use the consent-o-matic browser plugin, works with Firefox mobile, you just have to set it up as a private collection.

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] elvith@feddit.org 62 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Reminder that e.g. Firefox mobile has full extension support und as such can run uBlock Origin.

DNS blockers are nice, but they can only do so much against tracking without overblocking.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Firefox on mobile is great. It's horrible if I have to use stock Chrome for anything, ads everywhere, layers of ads, fullscreen popups, the horror

[–] death_to_carrots@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago

Just don't use stock Chrome then.

For me it only opens if I have to click some Wifi portal confirmation.

[–] 01189998819991197253 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I got excited for a second.

[–] 01189998819991197253 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. I regret the iPad purchase. I should have gotten the pixel tab...

[–] Kyouki@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I use "video lite" & mullvad dns blocking for my youtube and that works quiet decent.

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Try the Orion browser , it has support for extensions, including uBlock

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They are not chewing through mine, I use Firefox with uBlock Origin on Android too.

After reading the article:

To test this, Enders used a browser that mimicked an iPhone 6 and accessed a total of eight "popular" news sites (though they didn't confirm what these were).

Wow yea great methodology, thanks guys. It really captures your motto of "Rigorous Fearless Independent" especially the first term.

Also good job by Santiago Luque of Nextpit to generalize the result to the maximum possible extent.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I can't imagine raw-dogging the internet like that, even on mobile. If I opened an app or web page, and saw ads, I would just exit the page completely.

Internet without ad blocking is unbearable.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

If you extrapolate from that and suppose that somewhere around half of all internet traffic is ad transmissions, that means that the internet ad industry has about 20 times the carbon emissions of crypto.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 months ago (20 children)

Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking.

It’s the most pervasive pollution wrought upon our environments, and amplifies the carcinogenic perpetual growth delusion.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People are not willing to pay for services that they get for free.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How, precisely, does that relate to, or negate, what I posted?

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's true and I saw it first hand at an airbnb with so so WiFi. My pops needed his football fix and managed to stream but the connection kept blurry or disconnect. Asked him why he was still using chrome; he even had firefox with uBlock Origin. Following my advice, closed chrome and sure enough, no video ads and shit fixed his connection problem.

Internet enshittification is real but we can fight it.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago

Internet enshittification

Web enshittification actually. The Internet itself still works mostly fine, apart from a few unfair peering disputes among the giants, and the Chinese and Russian disconnection efforts.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ex wife: Turn off the blueberry pie or whatever! [She really said that.] It's blocking my clicks!

OK.

"Why is my internet so slow?!"

Dunno, let me see your phone.

Points finger: Ad, ad, ad downloading, ad, ad, ad, ad, ad...

"Fine. Turn it back on."

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I had that too, my Mother was wondering why the first two Google results weren't working. Because they were the ads, and the Pihole refused to resolve the domains. She didn't even realize she fell for the Google Ads injected as pseudo results. (It's been a while I don't know if they are still around)

Even worse my ex almost payed for Firefox, because she fell for the ad links above the real Mozilla link below, when she was looking for the Installer.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 5 months ago

This is what is absolutely crazy about the modern internet. We pay for data -- and because net neutrality is dead, we pay more if we go over a cap. And yet, we do not have direct control over what corporations choose to force feed us through that data.*

Consider the analogy of terrestrial TV (not a perfect one, but good enough for this). Back in the day, you put up an antenna, and you received programming. There was no data limit, because it's just airwaves. Watch as much as you want. But one downside: advertising, except the case was easily made that it pays for the programming, the broadcasting, etc, so it was somewhat of a different beast. That cost was not passed to you. You "paid" for it by accepting the injection of ads into the programming.

Fast forward to today. Let's say you want to stream a show that you would have gotten on terrestrial TV back in the day. Now, you pay to access that content (not going into the deeper issue of lack of ownership here), but you also effectively pay for the broadcasting, in the old sense of the word. While it is true that companies incur costs to run their servers and dish out the data, you, the consumer, must pay to access the network it uses. And again, because neutrality is gone, you pay more if you go over your cap -- for the content that you pay to access anyway.

It starts to look shockingly like a double dip. Consider what you're doing when on a corporate website: you pay for the hardware. You pay for the data. You (often) pay for the content that uses the data. And yet, these corporations still gave the gall to inject advertising into your data stream.

It gets crazier the more you think about it.

*ad blockers and sponsorblock give you some control, but ultimately they are reactive Band-Aids on the modern system

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have Firefox with Ublock Origin, YouTube ReVanced, and a DNS-level adblocker to cover everything else; ads ain't chewing through shit on my device.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

YouTube seems to make the experience worse and worse for us, tho. Pages not loading correctly, adds still showing up before the video plays, page unresponsive several seconds every few seconds, ...

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Sounds like you need a better adblocker. I'm not having any of these issues.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

as long as data caps exist all internet advertising is theft

[–] 01189998819991197253 8 points 5 months ago

As long as time exists, all internet advertising is time theft.

[–] horse@feddit.org 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Internet, especially on mobile devices, is becoming more and more unusable every day. Fucking ads everywhere, taking up more space than the content. Autoplaying videos overlayed on top of the content. Close buttons so small they are all but impossible to hit on a touchscreen. Cookie consent banners on every site (opt out of course). The list just goes on...

I don't even care about the bandwidth, it's just a pain to use. I've started using Safari's reader view and the new "Hide Distracting Items" option to hide most of it, but I shouldn't have to. Capitalism really does ruin everything.

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[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, nextdns (referer link) servers block ads at the DNS level, works pretty well on iPhones and Androïd without root.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how many lemmy users dont use adblock

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Why do people not use adblock?

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.org 6 points 5 months ago

And that's why I have pihole setup to which I connect to using wireguard.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

this is the main problem I have with pay as you go and data caps. It would be prefereable to me if it was only for the data I want and ads were charged back to the ad creators but its coming from my allotment of internet. Even if you block them they still will be taking up the bandwidth.

[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The main problem I have with data caps is that they're a bulllshit cash grab from subsized companies with a monopoly/oligopoly. There's almost nothing most of us can do, so they keep leeching more and more money.

...I also hate ads with a passion.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 5 months ago

yeah its like look. you can charge me based on an unlimited set pipe or by amount used (theoretially because I won't do it due to the ads using it and such) but not both. pick one.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago

Adguard provides a public DNS with ad domains blocked. You can install it as an app for easier setup, or manually change your systems DNS settings.

DNS-over-HTTPS
Default server
AdGuard DNS will block ads and trackers.
https://dns.adguard-dns.com/dns-query

[–] spipau@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago

I got /e/OS installed in my Fairphone 3 developped by Murena. They got a built-in OS level tracker blocker for apps. So not just ads in my browser, but all ads + tracker in all apps installed on my phone. This month alone it blocked 28432 trackers! We live is a crazy world... not only do I save internet bandwidth, but also my battery lasts longer

https://murena.com/

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