Ford says the province will ‘re-evaluate’ all lands in the Greenbelt : ontario

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

removed, he better do more than a walk back. Selling govt land to his rich buddies should cost him dearly!

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a correction, it's not government land. It's land protected by the government, but it always was privately owned.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Good point, thank you.

[+] Rocket@lemmy.ca -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Selling govt land to his rich buddies

You really think he went back hundreds of years in time to see those lands transition into the hands of private interests?

Seems like it would be a lot easier to just lift the Greenbelt restrictions placed on the already established private landowners than to invent a time machine, no?

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Another poster shower us there is a nicer way to point this out.

Be better.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

He's consistently shown he won't do that. It's time we block him.

Edit: I can't see this comment anymore. :-)

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Great idea!

[+] Rocket@lemmy.ca -21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It may be nicer, but is much less successful. While both comments have received the same number of arrow button presses at the time of writing, only mine got a reply, making it the clear winner in total number of reactions and also by virtue of a reply being worth more than an arrow button press.

If you want to write friendly private journal entries to yourself, that's great and all, but the purpose of a discussion forum is to get feedback from other users. As such, one has to play to the crowd in order to attract their feedback.

[Edit: It has taken the arrow button press lead now. Clearly nice isn't what the audience wants to see, unfortunately.]

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My comment was clear and concise. No reply was needed!

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. You can be civil regardless of the forum or media when giving feedback.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I would be if that is what the audience wanted, but given that we have a perfect head-to-head comparison right here to see what they want, clearly that is not what the audience wants to see. My approach garnered 53 arrow button presses and three replies. The other only saw 25 arrow button presses and one reply.

The winner is clear. The uncivil approach attracted more than twice as many fans. It's not my cup of tea either, but if it were about me I could go to my private journal. Like it or not, we come here to play for the audience.

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is a weighted bias on the direction of the arrow presses. Clearly my replies are off topic and shouldn't count towards your metric.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There is a weighted bias on the direction of the arrow presses.

The arrow buttons convey no information other than indicating that an audience is near. It is a poor man's analytics system. That is all. Naturally, people are only going to let someone know that a comment was seen if they like it – for a couple of reasons:

It takes time out of one's day to press a button. There is an opportunity cost to that. Nobody is going to literally pay for content they don't like when there is no obligation to. How stupid would that be?
As before, the reason we come here and not write in our private journals is because of the audience. Even if we ignore that there is a cost to pressing the button, why would the audience want undesirable content to know that it has been seen? Wanting to be seen is the whole reason for its creation! The audience obviously would want to hide the fact that they exist in such cases to not further incentivize creation of such content.

If you receive no button presses or replies, that's when you know that you've created something nobody is a fan of. When the fans are interacting with your work, you know you've created something they want. And it is clear what type of work brings out more fans! This is a community. Your personal tastes are irrelevant.

Clearly my replies are off topic and shouldn’t count towards your metric.

If off-topic is what the audience wants, off-topic is what the audience gets. It's not for me to decide. Again, if it were for me I'd write in my private journal.

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Case in point. I take the civil and informative road, as you suggested I do, and I get the least passionate response to date. I suppose I still mustered something that grabbed your attention, but it is quite apparent that you prefer where I started. You put way more effort into displaying your fanhood back then. Now it seems you're bored. And, fair enough. Most people do find civil discussion boring, as also demonstrated at the top of the thread.

That said, I like what you've done overall and want to show my own appreciation to you, so I let it be known that you have been seen once more.

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Ok

[–] SirFancypants@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

“I encourage the integrity commissioner to hold people accountable that don’t follow the rules”

LOL, the supreme irony of Doug uttering these words during his presser

[–] TemporaryBoyfriend@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

"We'll say that we'll re-evaluate it until we come up with something else to outrage Ontarians, then continue to do nothing but profit from our open corruption."

[–] randy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

The Auditor General's report suggested the government re-evaluate the 14 parcels that were slated for removal from the Greenbelt. But they are "not pausing development on the 14 parcels"; they're re-evaluating all lands in the Greenbelt. So it sounds like Doug is doubling down on disregarding the AG's suggestion by instead looking for more to remove.

Seems like a cheap trick to act like they're listening to reason, while doing the exact opposite.

[+] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] deborahh@mstdn.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@Ulrich_the_Old @moormaan ... worth adding: in an election where polling places were cut by 75% in the province's biggest city*, and new provincial legislation muzzled opponents from placing the usual ads in run up to the election.
#DougFordIsCorrupt #ONpoli #TOpoli

* edit: see comment on this thread re: cutting of polling places (not done by Ford government)

[–] c_9@mstdn.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@deborahh @Ulrich_the_Old @moormaan Ford is terrible and corrupt, but for clarity he does not control Elections Ontario polling site decisions. EO is an non-partisan independent agency (Elections Canada too), and it was COVID-related voter space decisions that were a big part of that consolidation of locations in one riding, Toronto Centre.

Just wanted to clarify that piece for anyone reading who's unfamiliar with how elections work in Canada, as I work with EO & EC during elections.

[–] deborahh@mstdn.ca 1 points 2 years ago

@c_9 @Ulrich_the_Old @moormaan thanks! I will edit it.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

It's like the more power a person's single vote has, the less they care about it. Human psychology, man.

[–] xfint@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

This will all blow over and the families of wealthy cronies will live in luxurious estates built on that prime green space.

Part of me wishes the more enterprising types out there never let them have a moment of peace and quiet on that land.

[–] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doug, resign.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Why? What incentive does he have to stop doing what he's doing when he's been getting away with it for 5+ years?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Ford has insisted that he had nothing to do with it, and all reports so far have failed to show that he did. But we all know that no one would be carving up the Greenbelt in the first place if it wasn't for Ford and his cronies. Eventually a piece of evidence will come out that links him, and he will be forced to change his story.