Traditionalist
Preservationist
Anti-colonialist
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2023
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Anti-colonialist
Given the history of HK...I don't think that one works very well.
Not a conventional case, but I've seen some HKers use the word 'colonizers' deliberately against pro-Beijing commenters. It effectively gives the vibe of PRC being yet another colonial master, which really triggers internet fights.
I would probably use cultural activist. You could probably also use advocate or preservationist.
Activist has a little bit more active connotation, like your out in the streets or organizing in some way to maintain the culture. Advocate is good, but a little vague. Preservationist would be more like documenting or conserving existing examples of the minority culture, and is maybe a little dry or academic of a term.
So for your example Cantonese cultural/language activist would probably fit best.
Well there is the word assimilation, so anti- assimilation would be the closest one, however I don't think there is a word that would capture the true esscence of what you mean. Also patriotic could work, as at least where I live (Slovenia 🇸🇮) it doesn't have that many negative implicationsv unlike Nationalism
It could work with fully recognized sovereign countries, but not with HK. Problem with words like patriotic or nationalist in this context is that it brings the issue of HK's political status, especially within China.
In an ideal scenario, a Hongkonger should be able to preserve their cantonese and foster local HK culture whether accepting or not the city's status as SAR of PRC, but that "China one big family" ship sailed a long time ago.
So we need to play with words. HK local culture preservationist? Sounds to long. Anti-assimilationist could be used but in limited context, like HK-ers protesting against a public policy favoring mandarin.
Regionalism is a word in France
You could just about make the phrase "cultural conservative" do the job, but it has regrettable connotations from American politics.
Then there's traditionalism, but it doesn't come prepackaged with the nuance you intend. You'd still have to explain what kind of traditions you mean.
You could avoid an outright label and just talk about "preserving Cantonese identity". Or feel free to coin a neologism, e.g. "Cantoneist". There's no wrong answer in English if you do it with style. IMO.
Edit: Cantonism was already coined for use in Russia, so maybe make your own word up instead to avoid associations with er, pogroms and such. There are no wrong answers, assuming you are being original. Never assume.
Cultural ~~conservative~~ conservationist
Yes.
And do maintain the struck portion, it adds all the nuance required.
And do maintain the struck portion, it adds all the nuance required.
could you explain? english isn't my first language
If you say it as "Cultural ~~conservative~~ conservationist", with the crossed out bit, that will signal that you're just talking about preserving the culture and not outright ethnic chauvinism.
thank you!
You’d still have to explain what kind of traditions you mean.
Well, there is the cantonese ethnic group with their own traditions like food, they have a different history than people from northern china, the people may be more spiritual than mainland china, the cantonese language itself is distinctive from other chinese language (it is a dialect of the yue languages), hong kong itself has its own history and culture because it's been an 'east meets west' city for so long
I don't think these aspects are specific to HK, I would imagine it would be like someone from a minority ethnic group in South Africa or India or Afghanistan where they want to preserve their own ethnic group's language and culture and history against the majority group's culture
I'm a fan of "Cultural ~~conservative~~ conservationist". Courtesy of @radix.
In my country (Chile 🇨🇱) there are people and communities that are recognized for preserving history & culture that would be otherwise forgotten by modern society, they are given the title of "Living Human Treasures".
I'll leave a link to a goverment website (in Spanish) with further info:
https://www.cultura.gob.cl/patrimonio/tesoros-humanos-vivos/
In my country (Chile 🇨🇱) there are people and communities that are recognized for preserving history & culture that would be otherwise forgotten by modern society, they are given the title of “Living Human Treasures”.
I’ll leave a link to a goverment website (in Spanish) with further info:
https://www.cultura.gob.cl/patrimonio/tesoros-humanos-vivos/
cool, gracias!
I (a European jew) usually tk about assimilation and struggling against assimilation. I don't know, maybe anti-assimilationist?
When we learned about assimilation in Geography class my mind imediately went to the Borg
Diversity kind of work too.
Welsh.
Hell yeah! 🏴 (Or should I say, "o, fyn uffern ia!")
The Welsh word for this would be gwrthryfelwr (insurgent, rebel).
Sociolinguistic Conservationist, perhaps?
Human.
Cultural preservationist?
Duolingo has a Cantonese as a option for Mandarin, it won't help for now just make things slightly easier when China stops doing this
Minority advocate?