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Employees at some Chinese ministries must stop using iPhones before the end of September.

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[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 65 points 2 years ago

Of course it is, for the Chinese. Listen, if it isn't a homegrown tech product, it's a threat to your national security, and even most of the homegrown ones are, regardless of what nation you're from or in. This is fact.

[–] MartinXYZ@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This seems like a logical step, both as a political counter move to the US limiting Huawei and TikTok, and as an actual security measure. If the Chinese state can get intel from Huawei devices, surely the US can get intel from iphones. I'm surprised they didn't include Microsoft.

Edit: a word.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

USA: let's ban Huawei
China:

[–] RangerAndTheCat@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Can't wait to see where Linux phones are in a few years but I have my doubts. Mostly around the app ecosystem (yes I know, just use the web browser for a lot of them), but hopefully the concept stays alive!

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

You just activated my trap card!

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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean it's not like you'd catch a US government official carrying around a Huawei phone either - fair is fair.

[–] runjun@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Exactly, if they were allowing US phones before then they were nuts.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course they pose a national security risk. Imagine your government officials walking around with devices fully capable of recording bodily activities, location, sound, video, and transmit it to a foreign power, with or without the wearer's knowledge. 🤯

Then add the ability of third party powers to use Israel's NSO spying capabilities for these devices.

The moment I could replace these devices with my own home-grown ones, I would. If anything, it's surprising it took them this long. Maybe they thought they had enough control over Apple.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine your government officials walking around with devices fully capable of recording bodily activities, location, sound, video, and transmit it to a foreign power, with or without the wearer’s knowledge.

They don't have to imagine it. They are actively DOING it with TikTok! Then there's the not so small matter of all the spying that Huwaei was doing using their 5G network equipment.

Here's another one: Have you read the articles about Mozilla reporting what a privacy nightmare today's cars are? China has banned Teslas from being parked in our around their Government Offices and Military bases. Today's cars, especially EVs, are absolutely loaded with high end spy tech. Video recording in optical and non-optical wavelengths, audio recording, gps positioning, radar and ultrasound systems, remote control of those systems, remote data access to those systems...

Since China banned Tesla's cars from being parked in sensitive locations what do you think they are doing with their auto brands such as BYD?

Everyone is spying on each other like mad.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Haven't read Mozilla's report but I'm in the field and am fully aware. What I can tell you is that at least some of the Motown manufacturers are very privacy oriented at least for now.

Huawei is an unmitigated disaster. Security analyses of their equipment from some years ago showed hundreds of security holes on a single piece of infrastructure networking equipment. Countless vulnerable copies of OpenSSL, you name it. Even if they didn't have any backdoors, the equipment was such a Swiss cheese that you could enter it from many of the gaping holes. The only reason we use it is cost, making the moneys for the shareholders.

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 20 points 2 years ago

Buy stock in Huawei, got it.

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They’ll still have no problem manufacturing them, though.

[–] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn’t apple shifting to production in Inda?

[–] Anomalous_Llama@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Older or lower cost product lines have been yes. This will likely expedite more movement there.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

Why would they have a problem with that?

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

iPhones pose a risk to the National Security Agencies’ ability to spy on the citizens

[–] hackris@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

If the US can do it, so can China. But, of course, both suck (iPhone and Huawei).

[–] xep@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

Nice move, China. Right then, let's start drafting the tit-for-tat regulations right away.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean... I don't doubt that any cell phone is.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Any US technology has NSA backdoors. I'm surprised it took them this long to realize, since they do the same thing.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago

I'm sure they've known for years, there just wasn't a lot they could do it about and relations with the US were good enough that it wasn't a serious problem...until now.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Made in China”

Looks like Apple will soon go shopping for a new sweatshop

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They’ve already been in India for a while, they’ll just expand there while looking for another one as a backup.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They could always use Taiwan. All the benefits of a chinese sweatshop except it's not China.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You should check salaries in Taiwan.

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