GitHub - LadybirdBrowser/ladybird: Truly independent web browser : technology

[–] troed@fedia.io 348 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Join our Discord server

crying in decentralization efforts

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 192 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.

It's the worst.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 70 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I'm likely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don't know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 121 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The Discord-based "support" makes it a "meh." The main devs alt-right BS makes it a "hard pass."

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.

As long as it's FOSS and doesn't inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.

I agree it's not great and I'd prefer if it weren't made by imbeciles

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Tankies are annoying, but they're not on the same level as fascists.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.

Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, "Kills people because they have a different opinion.", "Suppresses minorities.", etc.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Both facists and tankies have genocided disabled people and selectively killed anarchists.

As a disabled anarchist, they end up seeming pretty similar to me.

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[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why always discord.... Why!!!!

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

because a turn key platform they don’t have to self host and maintain frees them up to do the work.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 21 points 4 months ago

Oh shit. I despise Discord, why not a normal forum?!

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[+] kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

what r they gonna do if it's open source and doesn't collect data. worry more about ur OS

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the EU wants backdoors to encryptions, so eu not any better.

[–] superfes@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago

Good, the world is in dire need of competition in this arena.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 62 points 4 months ago (8 children)

To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.

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[+] EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (41 children)

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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 66 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Looks like a confused Swedish dude that when questioned about his use of English pronouns defaults to not wanting to get political. Is there more besides a misguided decision to avoid relevant political topics?

I think we should chastise people that insist on not getting political, but not necessarily boycott everything they do. Or at least we should apply the same moral demands to Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft or Google when choosing which browsers to support. Which of them is the least bad?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There is nothing political about acknowledging peoples' existence.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 20 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Existence? Because somebody used a wrong pronoun?

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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don’t think we should be scared of the word “political” or “ideology”.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that too... Everything is political if you want to really get into it. People just want to be able to ignore it until it directly affects them.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 months ago (5 children)

ugh transphobia rots people's brains

it's not too hard to just be a decent person ppl

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Again this shit. This have been debunked many times, yet people still write this nonsense.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I see zero reason to out the "transphobic" label on the dev.

Think and read before labelling people.

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[–] dumnonii@piefed.social 12 points 4 months ago (15 children)

I can't see anything about this on DuckDuckGo. Do you have a link?

[–] RayJW@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

https://mkultra.monster/tech/2024/07/03/serenityos-and-ladybird

This was a little „write-up“ back when everything became more public.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I'm surprised this got any kind of attention.

Here's the turn of events from my perspective:

Someone submits a 1-line PR changing the gender used in a code comment
PR rejected on the grounds that the change is "politically motivated"
Submitter got mad, and proposed removing the rule against "politically motivated" changes, calling it "white supremacist," which is closed
Someone wrote a blog post about it

Here's my analysis:

Stupid change - don't make PRs that simply correct an irrelevant typo in a comment somewhere; some people do this to put stuff on a resume (look at how much FOSS work I do!), and it just wastes everyone's time
Stupid response - it should've been rejected because it's a useless change, not because it's "politically motivated"
Stupid proposal - do you really want to waste a bunch of time fighting over wording in a comment? Because that's the kind of crap you get without a rule like this.
This is all about an irrelevant change to a comment? Why is this getting so much attention?

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"We don't accept ideologically motivated changes" = White supremacist language... Yeah, sounds about like what I expected...

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[–] troed@fedia.io 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Alright, read up on it a bit more. Sadly the language choices (C++ now, maybe Swift later) rubs me the wrong way for something that needs to be incredibly secure against attacks. I really really support additional browser engines, but likely not this one.

Thus I think Servo is a better choice for those looking to contribute. IMHO.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 4 months ago

Quite happy to see Servo coming along again. I am still excited for Ladybird and it seems more likely to deliver a truly viable browser sooner.

I am not a Swift dev but I think it has decent memory safety as well. I think it is one of the reasons Ladybird is moving to it. They evaluated Rust and decided it lacked the OOP features they needed.

The C++ that Ladybird writes is also very good. They have their own standard library (written for SerenityOS) which is very modern including memory safety and security. Still C++ though of course.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

A good breakdown on their progress: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200604

[–] aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We definitely need more competition in the browser space, I just wish it wasn't using such a permissive license as the BSD.

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[–] Bogus5553@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'll be great. The big question is how long it's left until a stable release

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Once Servo is finished, we might have a browser rennaisance (I hope)

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