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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Let's hope they'll be able to continue to use it. It (and all other messengers with proper E2EE) is already on track to be outlawed in Sweden and France, and the new government in Germany will be pro mass-surveillance, too.

[–] tmxyz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 months ago

A lot of VPN servers in Netherlands may have something to do with it.....

[–] Nanook@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

Why? Because the Dutch national broadcasters keep plugging it as an alternative to Whatsapp.

Aside... Two apps keep getting mentioned as alternatives, Signal and Element/Matrix, but in MHRO both are not viable as replacements.

Signal: still a US app, CIA funded, provides their encryption backbone to Whatsapp, recommended by governments & FBI. Matrix/Element: Developed in Israel, with ties to IDF, preferred by NATO (NI2CE)

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

IDGAF who funds it or who develops it.

  • E2E encrypted
  • security review by independent party I trust which says there are no holes or bugs
  • open source

Those three things are all that matters.

[–] Yxf@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Signal is funded by the CIA now ? And I thought Element is in the UK?

[–] BuckenBerry@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Signal does seem to have some ties to the CIA

There seems to be a completely different Israeli company called matrix. I can't find any link between the two.

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[–] ray1992xd@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I would have rather seen Element but hey, it's a step in the right direction.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Why? Matrix sucks as an instant messenger app, it's better as a Slack/Discord alternative.

[–] ray1992xd@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Only because I'm not aware of other decentralised Signal alternatives. That's on me.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)
[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, but funded by VC which makes me uneasy about its future.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Huh, I missed that. From the announcement:

Also, funding the work to transition the protocols to non-profit governance model would not have been possible without the donations we received from the users.

Our pledge to our users is that SimpleX protocols are and will remain open, and in public domain, so anybody can build the future implementations of the clients and the servers. We are building SimpleX platform based on the same principles as email and web, but much more private and secure.

If they stay true to that, they're probably planning on building for-profit apps on top, while keeping the foundation free.

That sounds reasonable to me. Hopefully that happens.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fair. I'll still be on watch, since venture capitalists are scum. Hopefully donations will eventually become stable enough for a revenue stream for them.

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[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn't Element based of Matrix? From what I've read, Matrix is a bit mid (not exactly mid, but I can't think of any other word).

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ray1992xd@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nice! Never heard of that one, I'll look that up!

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[–] amelore@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I guess this means we're not switching to RCS then?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

RCS is not an open standard

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