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Is anyone here aware of some alternatives to mentioned instant messaging applications ? Alot of people keep mentioning Signal , however since it is US based I am not going to entertain it as a possibility.

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[โ€“] doodledup@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Why does it matter that Signal is US based? They don't get any of your data. And you don't have to donate if you don't want to.

[โ€“] ThatOneSin@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

I agree. If anything, Signal was made to circumvent government spying. So it's ANTI-US Gov.

[โ€“] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I agree, in all for buying European, but you don't have to buy signal

[โ€“] nodiratime@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I keep donating. As I do for the FSF, the EFF etc.

Everything not-nonprofit? Boycotted.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Try out the either Element or Fluffychat. Both based on decentralized, privacy, and security. Both based on Matrix. I like Fluffychat for ease of use and itโ€™s on all devices. Plus you have to verify every device that signs in or that new device can not see previous chats as they stay encrypted.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not just "based on". Element and Fluffychat are two clients that use Matrix and are fully interoperable.

(I'm sure you know, but I'm not sure it's obvious for potential newcomers)

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[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sounds great, thanks for the tip

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are most welcome. I tried a lot of various messengers and these were the only ones that seemed to fit the extreme security we need in age of fascism.

[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Exactly .. Element looks really good ... Now is the time to bully everyone around me to ditch the US shite and join me over there haha

[โ€“] Vlado@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I also use Fluffychat and Iโ€™m pretty satisfied. But it has its own โ€œquirksโ€. I would say itโ€™s slightly more buggy than I would expect. And Iโ€™m mostly missing the function for pasting of images from mobile deviceโ€™s clipboard. Itโ€™s still doable, but in a somehow convoluted way. But once I got familiar with it, Iโ€™m liking it.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One of the latest updates allow you to use the Share button to directly post to Fluffychat. But I do agree with quirks.

[โ€“] Vlado@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep, thatโ€™s what I meant by convoluted. Itโ€™s: Share -> Fluffychat -> Click on Post

Then Fluffychat opens with a popup where you select the respective chat and click on Forward. And then click on Send in new popup. Itโ€™s not a catastrophe, but I can definitely imagine less steps for that :)

[โ€“] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Matrix is terrible for privacy. It shares more metadata with the servers than any other messenger.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago (32 children)

From which year is that claim?

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[โ€“] Gieselbrecht@feddit.org 10 points 3 months ago

Threema is swiss

I think schildichat on matrix is a good alternative the app is developed by a German guy and matrix is decentralized as the fediverse you can have your own server or join a mass server.

[โ€“] buyeuropean@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago

Element.io is a great option if you can get your circle to sign up

[โ€“] dreadfulwhaler@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The big inconvenience with the EU alternatives, is that I donโ€™t know a single soul who use them.

[โ€“] vesi@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

Here is a nice overview of the most common messenger:

https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

That is great Comparison.. thanks alot.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I do like the idea behind it. However, it is extremely buggy and freezes on iOS. It is extremely convoluted to add multiple devices as for now they can't be on same profile. And to top it oof, it does not seem to have a working export database feature for now.

When they fix those issues I do feel it has a great chance to take over.

[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The truth is I havent had much experience with it (well, didnt convince anyone to try it with๐Ÿ˜†), especially with iphones.

May I ask, does the export not work on iphone? It seemed to be working on my android.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It gets stuck on create passphrase to export. Even after re-install and an attempt with a new profile on the iPad.

[โ€“] Jagget@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Delta Chat! Mostly Germany based, email protocol PGP encrypted messenger

[โ€“] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wait, what's wrong with signal?

[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[โ€“] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's serverless though, right? The messages aren't stored in any of signal's servers? Or am I mistaken?

It's also open source, so it would be possible just to fork and use a "European" version of it. Also, since it's open source, it's free to use, so no money actually goes to on American company by using it.

[โ€“] Earflap@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

It is a us based non profit that doesn't store any information about you, your contacts, or any of your metadata, and encrypts all of your data in transit and at rest, using a strong open source encryption protocol. Signals privacy is so strong that when delivering a message, they cannot tell who the sender is. It is developed out in the open and has been independently audited like four times.

Also you don't need to purchase the app so boycotting it really only harms you since every other messaging app (that isnt self-hosted) is objectively worse in all of these measures, or has no network effect.

Don't punish orgs who are doing things right.

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[โ€“] plc@feddit.dk 3 points 3 months ago

I've heard about https://docs.cwtch.im/, but haven't tried it. It does seem to take privacy very seriously.

[โ€“] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago

I've been using SimpleX, and I like it a lot. Very polished and reliable. The company is registered in the UK.

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