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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] vivavideri@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Can we hack it and make it so all it does is take nut shots at the nypd?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Government and corporate creeps seeing dystopian sci-fi works: "What an excellent idea!"

[–] reflex@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The robot is almost as tall as the mayor — but at least three-times as wide around the waist

Body-shaming the robots is how the machine revolt begins.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Adams also proudly stated the cost-effectiveness of the robocop as compared to a human transit cop: The city is leasing the robot for $9 an hour.

“This is a good investment of taxpayer dollars,” he said. “This is below minimum wage, no bathroom breaks, no meal breaks.”

I'm genuinely surprised the union is ok with this.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's because cop "unions" aren't real unions.

Real unions protect the employment of all their members while fighting for better wages and working conditions.

Cop "unions" defend criminal cops from the consequences of their actions, fight for impunity for all cop killers (killers who are cops) and lobby the government to fund those heinous activities.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Perhaps killer cops would have been a better phrase.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Both work. A cop killer can be killer of cops or a killer who happens to also be a cop. I like it over killer cop for two reasons

  1. it implies that the killer part is the essence and the cop part is external to that

  2. it replaces a term meant to set apart a category of killers for being worse because they kill cops (as if "blue lives matter" more than all others) with the many times more common killer that's worse for being a cop.

[–] Wussy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"The police robot, which is painted white, insisted that the mayor, who is black, made what is believed to be a 'gang sign' with his hand and aggressively placed it on its body. The mayor is now recovering in a nearby New York hospital after allegedly being shot 18 times by the police robot. Despite the entire event being caught in camera, the NYPD insists that the robot is innocent and did nothing wrong."

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Seems legit

[–] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a waste of tax payer money

[–] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

So is this just a mobile camera maybe with a speaker from someone in a control room who can say, "stop that!".

[–] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago

So is our plan to use magnets or does someone have a better idea

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

420? Nice!

Wait, Robocop? Not nice!

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Next month, they will debut the 840-pound ED-209

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Here we go again….

[–] subignition@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I wonder how expensive these robots are.

For completely unrelated reasons of curiosity, I wonder how susceptible they would be to a sledgehammer.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't wait until someone pushes that onto the tracks in front of an oncoming train

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

When asked whether the robot was at risk of vandalism in New York City, the mayor strode over to it and gave it a few firm shoves. “Let's be clear, this is not a pushover. 420 pounds. This is New York tested,” he said.

Yeah. This thing is still going to find itself on the tracks.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

That weighs less than an average medium car from a short Google search and I've seen videos of groups of people lifting cars

And one new york city mayor is not representative of the nyc population

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Did... Did he just tell New Yorkers they aren't strong enough to do something?

The balls on that guy... I give it a week.

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The press conference ended with a photo op for the mayor and the NYPD's latest recruit. The mayor made a half-heart shape with his hand and pressed it to the K5’s waterproof exterior. The robot did nothing.

Love this last line. Ultimately the robot can't do anything other than alert the police.