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How do I dodge a permaban? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 week ago by BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world to c/reddit@lemmy.world
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A couple months ago my account was permabanned (was not provided a reason) from the site and I have since been trying to make a new one. The problem is though that every single time I make a new account, it is either instantly suspended or suspended a couple hours later. So far I have tried: -Unplugging my router for a few minutes to change my IP -Clearing all of my cookies -Making the account on a very old device (which has never logged into Reddit before) -Using a brand new email -Making the account on Duckduckgo which has encrypted connections

Mind you, I did all of these together, at the same time, and Reddit still was able to instantly link my account to it. Is there a single thing I can possibly do to avoid this ban and make a new account? It seems like Reddit has like CIA-level technology that is somehow able to track me regardless of how many ludicrous holes I try to jump through.

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[–] isekaihero@ani.social -1 points 2 days ago

One thing they do is track what subs you subscribe to. So if a new account is created and subscribes to all the same communities as a banned account, they can fingerprint you that way.

They can also fingerprint you based on what browser and OS you use. Not just cookies. When you connect to websites there is info shared about you that goes beyond cookies.

Just because you got a new IP from your ISP doesn't mean that they don't share data about you with reddit, especially if reddit asks for info from your ISP. You don't know what info your ISP shares about you. Maybe your ISP has some kind of an EULA but I don't know.

If you really wanted to focus on bypassing IP ban and are willing to go to any effort, install something like Oracle Virtualbox, create a VM with a fresh install of windows, install a decentralized VPN in that virtual machine (Mysterium VPN is an example) because most VPN's have fixed exit nodes that will be banned by reddit. A decentralized VPN allows any user on the VPN to act as an exit node, so Mysterium has literally thousands of exit nodes that change every day. It's impossible to ban them all.

Then after connecting your VM to a decentralized VPN, you would want to use a different browser every time you sign up for reddit, and use a different email address every time. Then never subscribe to the same communities every time you sign up a new account.

And even then, they can use AI to scan comments and detect similarities between you and other accounts based on how you type.

At some point you have to ask, is it really worth it? They're going to an absurd length to ban people. I want a community where I can be me. I believe in free speech. I want to be free to shitpost. Saying something rude shouldn't result in automatic permaban.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just give it up, she ain't coming back

[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 week ago

It's just a shuffling zombie now.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're already on Lemmy, just help build this to be what you are missing on Reddit.

[–] LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 2 points 1 week ago

This is the right answer

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol second one of these today...

Anyway, welcome to lesson 101 on why privacy is important haha

But reddit won't permit you to have non KYCed account anymore this has been the case for one or two years now.

Hence why many freedm enjoyers don't even bother there anymore.

[–] BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What do you mean by KYC'd?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago

KYC = know your customer

There laws imposed on businesses esp banks that require them to do basic diligence on who they serve. Ie can't be banking cartels and terrorists

In this context, reddit won't let you have an account unless they can tie it to an identity. This is my opinion based on my own experiences along with stories like OP.

Classic tool used for KYC for online services is your phone number but an email will work to if you use a lot.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Making the account on Duckduckgo which has encrypted connections

if you mean the DuckDuckGo browser, then it doesn't do anything other browsers don't do by default to hide your identity. you're still showing up as using the same IP address as when using other browsers.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

when i suddenly switched to a fork of ff they got suspicious and suspended my account immediately, and then they shadowbanned it. they apparently care about sudden browser changes.

[–] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why do you even want to? Reddit is going the way of Yahoo Answers.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

YA answers was purposedly shut down, after it changed hands like twice, it wasnt generating any revenue for them. also having another discussion board can be problematic for the owners who have certain agendas. much like job forum, discussion was shuttled to prevent people from discussing companies unethical practices , which may hurt thier chances of roping a unsuspecting applicant.

[–] pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Accept that they’re just not into you and move on. You make it sound like you’re somehow entitled to using their service and they have made it clear they don’t want you there.

If you do something as egregious on Lemmy and get banned you have the luxury of joining a different instance bingo, bongo.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Making the account on a very old device (which has never logged into Reddit before)

Did you continue using your account only on that device? If so, did you continue using reddit logged-out on your main device at the same time?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

its probably the IP address, resetting might not work, since some isp may just reissue the same IP address even if you reset it, or just rotate to the overused IP of other people in your area. you can change ISP but that could cost money though, or ask your isp providers to change, but they will get extremely suspicious if you ask it.

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I was in the same boat and it wasn't even my fault. Someone else was banned and I quoted what was banned. I asked people if that's the reason for the ban . Then, the next day I was banned.

I appealed and there was no answer. I am so tired of it.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

thats probably one of the lumping together strangers and banning them in bulk ive been hearing about.

[–] BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't understand why they ban with such insane scrutiny. There are people on major platforms like YouTube that continue to make money even after dodging bans, and yet Reddit seemingly has like the most heavily enforced ban system on the internet for a website that is literally for shitposting and asking for advice.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

yt has significant ad revenue incentives, so the bans are less restrictive(more views per video= greater ad exposure), reddit's ads really never took off, or as pervasive as many social medias. usually its the owner doing it,banning you from said channel. you probably have to do something pretty offensive for youtube to sitewide ban you.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i believe only some resetting the routers only works with some of the isps, some reuses the same ones so thats why reddit can detect that. also sometimes your ip wont change if you rest it.

this is the basic detection. reddit also looks for similar writing style, posting behaviour, your activity on the site, and using vcaptcha v3 to monitor your movements. browser fingerprintg is another one they use too.

i havnt bother making a new account after i got shadowbanned, it wasnt worth it, since they are likely to ban you instantly.

the only way is using a new device, and a new IP address, and not ever connecting to your home browsers, computer or wifi ever.

then theres the more expensive methods, proxies, anti-detect browsers new devices.

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think many mods on Reddit don't understand English well and are too lazy to read carefully. They just ban anyone with posts or comments containing some keywords. My comment is only a quote of another person and I asked if it is the reason Op is banned.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

many of them are too lazy to verify each report so some will jus let the auto-ban, filter to do thier dirty work,.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A certain CEO took over and clamped down. Before she quit, she changed Reddit, making it never the same.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

its mostly spez, whom later caved to muk's demand that is doing this. i dont think she had much of an effect in the early days.

its only when trump became president in his first term, then reddit became super serious in banning people. because the amount of russian back troll bots were starting to appear in large numbers, and then we got oh so you dont like "conservatives" type of people.

[–] hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

this ain't it chief, blaming ellen pao for reddit's downfall is insanely clueless.

she got glass cliff'd on a confluence of issues on the platform, none of which were because of her. if you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at spez.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Roll up a VM. Personally I use virtual box with xubuntu. Use it for nothing but reddit.

[–] BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So I actually took this advice and did exactly that. Booted up VirtualBox and ran an Ubuntu client and made my Reddit account and it got banned within 5 hours. Now every other account I make on any other virtual machine, regardless of operating system gets banned within an hour

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's strange. They shouldn't be able to tell two VMs are related. At best, that they're coming from the same house hold. Did you manage to get your house IP banned?

Did you say anything on the 9 hour account that might have warranted a permaban? Anything that would have gotten a lot of reports?

[–] BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had my very first post falsely flagged for being fake and taken down by mods which probably led to that first permaban. Also, I don't know if there's a difference in like IPs or whatnot, because I checked and both virtual machines I made had different IPs that were on different sides of the country. Do they both still belong to the same 'house IP'?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They shouldn't. They also check against user agents, browser extensions, and view window size, and probably a bunch of other identifing marks. Maybe it's picking up on those?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

they also look at your IP and time zone, and location too.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Its funny how much redditors care about privacy til its reddit tracking your identity through hella different ways

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate it too. I managed to get around it, but apparently they've gotten better.

Tbh, if Lemmy wasn't so small, shitty and had the niche communities, I wouldn't use reddit. But reddit does have those niche communities, so I'm stuck.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

yeah I already rent a vps so I might throw a browser on there and use a browser over the browser if I need it, I kind of prefer not commenting/posting now tho

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

reddit probably has the most oppressive moderation, and the aggressive one compared to the other social media platforms.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

never had a platform ban all my accounts and then instaban any new account even using a vpn and different devices lol, hope digg does well, idk if lemmy will ever grow to the point it hits every hobby, marketing budgets always win out, just hoping there is proper paid moderation

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

i was pretty shocked when a bunch of accounts were all suspended in February during the ban wave, then i found out it was also other people. only way around it, is if you have new device , and IP, and you are not using the same browsers.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

used to think I hate mods, but I just hate when its abused by power hungry mfs, I prefer 9-5 worker mods

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

now its reddit themselves are doing it.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Mods should be rotating staff with checks and balances not the kingdom reddit has lol

[–] BingoBongo1942@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah but I don't understand why though. Platforms like YouTube and Twitch constantly have people egregiously ban evading and then making money off them on top of it. Quite honestly out of every widespread social media platform on the internet, Reddit should have by far the most lax moderation/enforcement