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Israeli forces kill Palestinian boy who witnessed Rafah medics massacre (www.middleeasteye.net)
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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I live in Ukraine and we have our own massive problems to deal with (that take up an enormous amount of mental energy), but it pains me to see the mass killings in Gaza.

I am increasingly finding it difficult to see how the Israeli colonial regime is any better than the russians (putin is a mere symptom of the broad support for genocidal imperialism in russian society).

P.S. I will add it's annoying (in a base, reflexive sense) to see this from MiddleEastEye, they are huge supporters of russian imperialism.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I am increasingly finding it difficult to see how the Israeli colonial regime is any better than the russians (putin is a mere symptom of the broad support for genocidal imperialism in russian society)

It's not. The only reason Ukraine isn't like Gaza is that Ukraine has an army to protect it, and if Ukraine didn't have an army to protect it it'd be like Gaza. Russia and Israel are similar to a frankly kind of ridiculous degree.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Russia and Israel are similar to a frankly kind of ridiculous degree

It's not so much that they are like each other, they are both proponents of a new sort of unforgiving, relentless warfare. For decades, we have been trying to fight wars with Rules, but the old saying "All's fair in Love and War" has returned with a vengeance.

America has wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, fighting wars by the Rules, with little to show for it, so it makes sense that new, more successful, methods of warfare would eventually emerge. When America's next war starts, expect that we will be committing the same sorts of atrocities.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But there are some important differences.

Israel is still a democracy. A flawed and increasingly failing democracy, but they are not (yet?) on the level of russia. Which for me makes their behaviour more puzzling.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, democracies can commit all manners of atrocities too. Russia was a democracy when they invaded Chechnya if you remember that, and then you have all of Britain and France's wonderful escapades in Africa and the Middle East and America's wars over the past 70 years. Also I want to note that Israel has been like this since the very beginning.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Israel had a slight shift towards a more reasonable approach at some point, but then Yitzhak Rabin got murdered by an extremist linked to the Likud and it went back downhill from there.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

That's a good point. I guess I just wish there was more pushback within the Israel (there is some, but I get the impression it's a tiny tiny minority).

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

The US was a democracy when it fabricated evidence for an invasion of Iraq which is estimated to have killed 4 million people.

Democracy at home, tyrant abroad.

Being a democracy is no protection against committing war crimes.

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 days ago

They aren't any different in what they are doing, they are different in size and scale.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah this source is almost certainly a middle eastern state's propaganda channel likely Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Middle East Eye is based in London and even the pro Israeli MBFC rates it as highly credible and mostly factual. What the heck are you on about?

The accusations against MEE come from Saudi Arabia and the UAE who don't like people talking about their atrocities in English languaged media, especially as they try to influence the Muslim communities in Western countries like the UK with funding for Salafism and the like.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is Media Bias Fact Check credible in their assessments? Im not sure that has ever been demonstrated to be the case and frankly I give none if those sources any credibility.

The fact is we have no idea who owns Middle East Eye and that is critical in determining what bias they do have. And for this exact reason you might see why I give MBFC zero credibility.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do these statements seem coherent to you? They are both your statements.

Yeah this source is almost certainly a middle eastern state’s propaganda channel likely Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

The fact is we have no idea who owns Middle East Eye and that is critical in determining what bias they do have.

Also that you think that it is likely Saudi Arabia or Qatar shows that you neither now much about the politics in the region, nor do you know much about the topics covered by MEE.

It is like claiming some channel would be either propaganda from Taiwan or China, or either Russia or Ukraine...

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

The suspicion is based on payments people have tracked suggests one of those two nations as the likely owner of the paper. We cannot be certain who owns it. The fact that KSA and Qatar are not aligned is entirely irrelevant as to where the money came from as I never suggested it was a joint venture.

You don’t know me so you should probably not claim to understand what I do and don’t know about the region just because you are hurt that I don’t believe your source, Media Bias Fact Check, has any validity.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The contrast between their coverage of Gaza and their embrace of russian imperialism (with the typical "I oppose the invasion but ... NATO, Nazis, bla bla) makes it difficult for me to take them seriously.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago

I always forget which has a measure of credibility Middle East Monitor or MiddleEast Eye (it's Monitor)

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago

It takes a special kind of monsters to target and kill a child. I wish every IOF soldier the cruelest end.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dead children witness no war crimes.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Dead babies tell no tales

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago

B-b-but did the 12yo condemn Hamas?!?

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Israel. Fuck Russia.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

And America.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

This too shall pass and when it does, I fully expect those responsible to be arrested, tried, and locked up forever. That includes the monster netanyahu.l, but also the soldiers in the ground pulling those triggers