Once again Bernie is spitting facts. At this point the DNC is just a make a wish party for the elderly. They dont actually care about anything as long as it doesn't prevent them from getting more money. I sincerely hope the party fails and we get something better in it's place but knowing our luck these ass clowns will continue to fail upward.
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He's absolutely right with this current Democratic party and it's shitty leadership.
I'm shocked .world is keeping this one up.
Because Sanders isn't a Real Progressive^TM and actually smart enough to acknowledges one can both be critical of the current Democratic party and leadership while accepting the reality in actual daily life in America and its citizens.
However, Sanders did strongly disagree with one of his host’s points when Schulz expressed disappointment that, despite being sidelined by the establishment, Sanders continued to back Democratic nominees like Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Kamala Harris in 2024.
Sanders got cheated and still worked for the winners. Sanders did more speeches for Clinton than he did for himself on the campaign tour. Sanders knew that the DNC was the only major party that had a major chance defeat Trump.
Yeah, the Democratic leadership is completely corrupt and inept at this point and they did every every progressive presidential candidate dirty these past decade. And yeah it's really sad and sickening that even now they're thrashing like crazy and doing everything they can to resist progressive influence, trying to keep their wealthy donors happy, look at what their trying to do with Hogg.
But yeah, I do really agree with Sanders that Democrats, with all of their major character and leadership flaws, realistically is the only way to beat Trump and the Republicans.
He isn't wrong. If they hadn't pushed a senile 81 year old incumbent leader upon us as their candidate, in a blatant attempt to parachute an unpopular vice president into power once the 25th Amendment had to inevitably be invoked, then we would never have had a second Trump term.
Biden should never have ran for a second term, and allowed time for the Democrats to field a decent candidate for the White House. The fact that Harris literally lost to somebody who tried to stir up an insurrection against Congress four years ago says it all.
Harris didn't lose. Trump didn't win. They stole the election through every single means available. There is clear data that shows they tried it in 2020, and failed. They perfected it in 2024. "If I win you'll never need to vote again." "Elon knows sic. [everything] about the machines, he'll make sure we win."
Voting won't save us now. Self defense and community defense are all we have left. The system has been stolen by the ultra rich, and they are gleefully enacting as much violence against us all as they want, because they "know" they don't have to listen to us anymore.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.
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Yeah a little too late Bernie. You'll tell us to vote for Gavin Newsom/Liz Cheney 2028 as well. The modern Dem party is an enrichment cult.
And he'd be right to, if the alternative is MAGA.
But this is the buf problem un US politics. Of course you should vote against Trump, and of course even the most questionable Democrat is preferable to Trump. But with only two options, that seems to have lead the Democrats to think they don't even have to try anymore. They keep drifting further to the right, instead of running a credible opposition.
The US desperately needs more options, but the system is rigged to allow only two credible parties. To change, there are only two options: seize control of the Democratic Party, primary every lackluster candidate, until the DNC can't ignore that people demand better. Or start a new grassroots party, but it would have to be universally seen as the only way to get change, it needs to be massively funded to take on the machines of the other two parties, and convince the American voter that they really can win in this system that's rigged against the people.
Primarying is certainly the more likely option, but you need to do it everywhere.
With his recent moves you couldn't pay me to vote for Gavin
Nothing like clickbait headlines using a right-wing podcaster to put words in Bernie's mouth.
Oh, Return2Ozma? Who would've guessed.
Who's the right wing podcaster? If you think it's Benny Boy, that's not his website.
Who’s the right wing podcaster? If you think it’s Benny Boy, that’s not his website.
Who the fuck is "Benny Boy"?
Andrew Schulz is a conservative.
Ben Shapiro, I thought that was a more common nickname.
Why would he be relevant here, though.
Someone else here thought The Daily Beast was The Daily Wire. I was trying to ensure you weren't thinking of the wrong publication. Thank you for saying who the right winger is.
They really are at an impasse. Do they do the right thing for the good of their constituents or do they continue to line their pockets with corporate ~~bribes~~ donations?
Response C: Both, spend 1 year pretending they care right before the election, then spend 4 year lining their pocket 👍
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I didn't read the article or listen to podcast. Just came to say 2 party system doesn't work. Thank you. Cheers.
well hey used to it, several red states passed laws banning rank choice voting
Worked pretty well for the capitalists and fascists.
Bernie, a notorious independent.
Andrew Schulz
You might not know the name. But I bet you recognize what Kendrick said about him:
Don't let no white comedian talk about no Black woman, that's law
I know propaganda work for them, and fuck whoever that's close to them
But Bernie's always went to where all the earballs are, he's just trying to get the message out.
And I think it's important to point out by "party" Bernie is talking about elected politicians in leadership positions, not the DNC.
Sanders echoed his woes, venting that even after losing the 2024 election, his colleagues still “won’t listen” to him about how to appeal to voters.
Also:
Singh interjected with another question: “But could we not also say, if there hasn’t been a fair primary for the Democrats since 2008, are they not also a threat to democracy?”
“Fair enough,” Sanders answered. “I’m not gonna argue with that.”
First off, the headline wasn't Bernie's words, he was just moving on from something a rightwing podcaster had said.
2008 wasn't a fair primary, Obama just won in spite of it. The DNC being biased against him not only in the primary but the general is why Obama didn't appoint a DNC chair, so the neoliberals maintained their death grip on the DNC till just a few months ago.
But Obama refusing to nominate a chair was probably his biggest mistake, one we're still paying for.
Also important to note that Bernie defends voting for Democrats in this interview.
“Because it’s easy to say,” said Sanders. “But ‘burning it down’ means children will not have food to eat. The schools will deteriorate. People will not have healthcare. I’m an elected official. I’ve got to represent the people. I can’t turn my back on them.”
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Bernie has the greatest leverage in a potential third party, though with the system we have I think it'll just lead to the left losing again because of a voter split.
Assuming the elections will be fair with trump around, he effectively bypassed court already, he can adjust procedures to solidify his successor
he or AOC could announce their third party run now and demand the democratic left get behind them in advance
form a coalition with them or else.
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