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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 151 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It would be nice if, unlike GDPR, some veteran UX leaders would be consulted before this legislation was drawn up.

GDPR was well intentioned, but many of the pop experiences are littered with dark UI patterns, and most of those pop up experiences are annoying as hell.

[–] TestShhh@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s worth re-mentioning this whenever it pops up.

The GDPR does not mandate the cookie pop-up. The GDPR just says that companies cannot gather personal information about you without your consent,

If companies weren’t trying to build a profile about you all the time, they don’t need a banner in the first place. The GDPR is amazing because it makes it immediately obvious which rare companies actually respect you and your right to privacy, due to not needing cookie banners in the first place

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone from the UX side of the fence, I can assure you that there are a lot of legitimate convenience and or fraud protection reasons for why a company might store PII server side for the user’s convenience. Targeted marketing isn’t the only reason to store identifying information.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 18 points 2 years ago

Fraud prevention is a legitimate interest and does not need a consent request.
I'm pretty sure that is specifically called out in GDPR. Certainly ICO (UK) has loads of articles on it.

However legitimate interests are often difficult to demonstrate compliance, so it can be easier to rely on consent.

[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Others have said it already but... That shitty UX experience is the website's own fault. I suspect many of them make it especially shitty just to spite the legislation.

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[–] Knusper@feddit.de 15 points 2 years ago

You shouldn't assume the contents of the GDPR based on what most companies are doing. It's not legally consent, if it was not given freely. So, no dark patterns, no coercion, no inaccurate descriptions, nothing. You need to inform the user as accurately as possible and ensure that they choose what suits their interest. Then it's consent.

[–] randomaccount43543@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Didn’t Windows used to have a browser selection screen already? What happened?

[–] senoro@lemmy.ml 78 points 2 years ago (4 children)

If you have use the one in windows 10/11 its a bit of a nightmare. You have to manually change the default browser for all file types from edge to your new browser. And there are about 20 options you have to manually change over.

[–] gigachad@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Edge does a lot of things to annoy me on Windows, but this is not one. I do not think I had to change the default browser for every file type. Also the normal user would never notice this problem, as they rarely open HTML files directly.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

In 11 changing the default browser does not change all the filetypes the broswer can open. Setting an alternate browser as the default only sets the new browser to open a few filetypes. Its why I see confused illiterates at my workplace with Chrome, Adobe, and Edge open.

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[–] Anemervi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

The latest trick is they ignore the default choice completely and open all links in Outlook in edge anyhow, also they are sending notifications saying to use edge or get less battery time.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that is no longer the case.

I haven't had any trouble switching my default browser around recently, at least.

That said, they still tried and showed the lows they're willing to stoop to.

[–] viking 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I installed a brand new Windows 11 on Friday and it's still the case.

You can change the default browser with two clicks, but if you go to the default file type associations you'll find a ton of shit still associated with edge, so that Windows can force-open it if you dare to click on anything remotely link-esque anywhere in the Windows Explorer.

Edge is ingrained into the OS like a virus that launches itself all the bloody time.

[–] JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 4 points 2 years ago

To add to that, even once you have a different browser fully set as default, links within Windows itself (Search, Weather, etc.) still open with Edge

This no longer happens in the latest Insider Dev/Canary builds to an extent, but I make the point anyway to show how anti consumer Microsoft truly is.

[–] clanginator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah just did a fresh install and once I installed Waterfox I just had to click a single button when prompted.

However this was Tiny11 so I am unsure if that applies equally to normal Win11.

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[–] chameleon@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was made as result of an EU settlement that only lasted about 5 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu

I have absolutely no idea why they figured 5 years would be good enough.

[–] cheerjoy@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Obviously, the multinational billion dollar company would see the error of their ways in that period of time

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We don't need AMP links on Lemmy. Please try to avoid them by posting links to the real article. We (mostly, I'd think) have ad blockers, so it won't be a problem.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We should have Lemmy auto translate these links to non amp versions, or just outright refuse those links

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[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Sorry for that, but I don't actually understand what you mean...

EDIT OK I've googled it and it seems to be a page that is sponsored by Google but I use Firefox and it worked fine with that - so is the problem that it doesn't work with certain browsers?

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not only sponsored, but owned by Google.

AMP links are basically Google repackaging other people's articles. It prevents the actual owner from getting a pageview and let's Google track you more invasively.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

How is that legal?

[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the info - was not aware of this before. Yet more wonderful business practices from the world of big tech...

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Basically AMP is a copy of the website content hosted by Google for a "speedier load" but there are privacy, longevity, and general decentralization concerns with the "protocol."

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[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

I don't really care what the ui is, I just want some ui that isn't just reset "accidentally" an an os update or is bypassed by a company (cough microsoft) just tailoring their applications so they always open in edge in flagrant disregard for open standards.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is one of those things that is great in theory, but proper execution is going to be hard

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not really. We already did it with BrowserChoice.eu, just do it again. Just this time don't cancel it. It doesn't need to be perfect, as anything is better than what we have today.

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One issue I can think of is that, if you list "all browsers," most are still chrome under the hood, thus stacking the seemingly "equal" choice.

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[–] ciferecaNinjo@fedia.io 24 points 2 years ago

Can’t read the article (Cloudflare blockade).

In principle there needs to be pushback on the power of defaults for sure. Yes, all the options are shit anyway, but that’s in part due to the #powerOfDefaults.

[–] superbirra@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

amp page;DR

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago

We were here before when Internet Explorer 6 was the dominant browser.

It didn't reduce the usage of IE. People just pick what they know in those screens.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol I think I will have to stop using internet.

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