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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I know exactly the cause of this. The 360 got a bad rep because of the red ring of death fiasco bricking the consoles. All because of a few design flaws, mostly around the processors assembly that took them quite a while to figure out the cause of, and even longer to do anything about.

Then the even bigger nail in the coffin of Blu-ray beating out HD DVD, and a PS3 being pretty much the cheapest blu ray player you could get.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The last part was always crazy to me. A device that only played Blu-Ray movies was like $1000, but the PS3, which could do that and so much more was half the price of a basic as fuck blu ray player.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sell console at a loss, get profit from games and online subscriptions

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

Like how smart tvs are cheaper because they sell your data

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

PS3 launched at $500 in 2006 and Xbox launched at $300 ($400 with HDD) in 2005. Then ps3 had a slim model in 2009 that was $300. Xbox was ahead and Microsoft got lazy whereas ps3 was starting to get some fun exclusives and had a free online. There are just multiple factors that played into this.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

I'm 85% certain people switched after people got the red ring of death on Xbox. Hell that's why I don't by Xbox now

[–] timeghost@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

One of my favorite consoles, though I wish they had stuck to their guns on backwards compatibility. I'm many ways it was my last console, no dedicated console since has taken its place in terms of number of games purchased. And the UI, good gravy, was I a fan of that simple and responsive UI.

[–] heythatsprettygood@feddit.uk 4 points 6 hours ago

I guess they had to remove backwards compatibility at some point considering the solution was to shove an entire PS2 CPU and GPU onto the motherboard, massively driving up the already stratospheric production cost that they lost money on even with the high launch prices. Still, it is unfortunate it went away, as it ensured that PS2 games would play perfectly and as intended on PS3 with a proper HDMI output too. Plus, since it went away early, it means all the models with backwards compatibility have the defective GPUs that can cause a yellow light of death. A PS3 Slim with PS2 compatibility would have been amazing. I agree so much with XMB being peak UI design as well, almost every console following has in my opinion a worse UI, other than maybe the Switch, but that's because the Switch barely has much beyond a game selector.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Man, I 'member those times. PS3 launch was complete joke, scalpers sold the console for thousands of dollars, with one in particular going for over 17k. This, remember, in 2006. Everyone was making fun of it, from ScrewAttack to VGCats

[–] heythatsprettygood@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The PS3 is in competition with the original Xbox One for being the most undercooked and overpriced launch of a game console. I guess it's what made the recovery even more astounding.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

The PS3 suffered from lack of games and low stocks for the first 2 years, if I'm not mistaken. Pretty sure they only managed to pull through because they're a megacorp, with other areas covering up the losses in the meantime. Having a much lower failure rate compared to the 360 certainly helped, too.

The X1 died by M$ showing their hubris at every opportunity before launch. "We'll block used physical game sales! Fuck games, this is your home media server! The kinect is mandatory and will spy on you! Yes, even while the console is powered down!" - Sony's marketing was just "We don't do any of that"

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 16 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Soon it'll be a steam console sitting the corner of every room

[–] heythatsprettygood@feddit.uk 10 points 14 hours ago

I am quite excited for if Valve make a successor to the Steam Machine, as the Deck shows a Linux gaming device can be the perfect do anything device. The first Steam Machine was not ready for prime time when it came out, but it came before Proton.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So a computer hooked up the TV?

[–] Shawdow194@fedia.io 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Do you use your PlayStation to accomplish work on? Do you upgrade its hardware?

Everyone who's waiting for a Steam console should simply build a computer and hook it to their TV, makes no sense to wait for something that might never come and that will just be a prebuilt computer anyway. It's not a Deck, there's no hardware that's hard to replicate to create a specific form factor and there's much better OS options for what a computer can be used for.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago

With how Valve has been playing things, a new steam console would likely be a working Linux PC, but have a default gaming GUI that you can plug into whatever screen you want, and switch over to the Linux desktop mode to "do work". This is how the steam deck functions.

As for why not just build a PC? Valve can probably sell a steam box cheaper than you can build the equivalent and have it in a smaller, more portable package.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The power of the console is that it comes preinstalled with everything you need to game. Tell roidrage Steve or TikTok Sally to build their own gaming rig. It's not happening. That's why there are consoles.

The Steam Machine can be used for work, but that's not its primary function, neither is that the Steam Deck's function.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

These people aren't buying a Steam machine either.

Bazzite has a Steam "big screen" mode if that's the only thing stopping you from building your own setup. Hell, buy a prebuilt computer and install bazzite and there you go, "Steam" machine!

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You're still not understanding: people buy stuff for convenience. Buying a console which you can play all the latest games on with a controller is convenient.

The target audience for Steam Machine (or whatever they'll call it) is not you or some linux dude who like setting things up themselves, it's people who just want things to work (tm).

What you're saying is "Why would I buy bread when I can make it at home? Nobody's going to buy bread!".

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

And what you're not understanding is that casuals won't be buying a computer to play Steam games when they already have a computer to play Steam games.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It likely won't be targeted at people who have a computer to play Steam games. It'll be targeted at people who want to buy a box at Best Buy or Walmart, plug it into their TV, and have a list of nearly every PC game released in the last 30 years to buy and play. No tweaking, no screwdriver, no price comparisons or performance optimization. Default settings across the board.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"What the hell is a Steam? Oooh, new Switch!"

Console gamers with no previous interest in PC gaming

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm talking about people who want to just sit down and play, not people who are developmentally disabled to the point where they can't entertain recommendations from their friends on how to sit down and play.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago

Yeaaaah, so the people who will buy what they're already invested in, ie, not Steam

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 8 hours ago

I guess we'll see 🤷‍♂

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Crazy stuff considering the playstation has no games

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Console war dumb shit go brrrrrr

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

beat me to it. my favourite comment :

@JacStone98 I like how the suspect's subtitles say "Final Fantasy 7" like he's clueless while Columbo's subtitles properly say "Final Fantasy VII".