We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
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Counterpoint: We've tried a lot and there's no magic fix to this issue.
The objective truth is that there are far more gun laws in the United States today than there was 60 years ago. To give a single example; in 1968 you could literally mail order a firearm directly to your doorstep. No background check, no registry, no nothing. In fact that's how Lee Harvey Oswald got the rifle he used to shoot President Kennedy.
You can argue that we haven't done enough but to say that we've tried nothing is completely ridiculous.
Counterpoint: the rest of the world.
Yes, of course, you're right, there's no difference whatsoever between the per capita firearms deaths and that article completely invalidates my point.
Then you should have made that argument instead of stepping forward with the weak sauce you used.
I didn't bother referencing a source for the same reason I wouldn't bother if we were talking about how common sugar is in processed food. Nowhere else has the issues with guns the US has. Everyone who doesn't live under a rock knows that.
The Onion has a set article that they republish constantly about school shootings because it's such a shambles.
So no, I didn't, because I respected your intelligence enough to assume you'd know. The US' relationship with firearms is a massive outlier and causes huge amounts of preventable deaths.
We hold these truths to be self-fucking-evident.
send the government door to door taking the guns away
Uh huh, so Cops going door to door to take the guns away from the 24% of Black and 15% of Latinos who own them. I'm sure that would go super well! Excellent suggestion! /s
the suggestion is tongue-in-cheek in that i think it will specifically not go well for the cops
It ain't gonna go well for the folks at home either. Your "tongue-in-cheek" comment is a thin veneer over brutality, violence, and death on a massive scale. Literally tens of millions of people.
It isn't clever and it isn't funny.
yeah, it's not, I'm mostly just sad about how america is right now
America right now is somehow simultaneously the best its ever been and enormously fucked up. I'm in my 50s and the amount of positive change, particularly social, I've experienced in my lifetime is incredible.
There are definitely problems that need solved, Gun Violence is one of them, but the story of America isn't over. We're in a period of turmoil right now but we'll come out of it better than what we started. Just like we have before.
maybe if we keep deregulating the guns will shoot themselves
The funniest thing is that if you debate a 2A person they will swear that they personally keep up with their training and keep all weapons fully secured. Then they will explain how forcing anyone else to take these common sense precautions is a horrible idea.
It depends. I heard someone talking about how they have one on the coffee table, nightstand, and like 2 other places in the open.
Not to play devils advocate, but I think what qualifies safe storage is super situational. What you describe could be totally fine in a house without children or a person with a disability.
Arguing with a 2A person is kinda like arguing with a obese person. They always eat healthy and move a lot and have no idea where these calories may come from.
I'm going to use that analogy. Thank you.
Then they will explain how forcing anyone else to take these common sense precautions is a horrible idea.
Using Government Power to force people to do things often has unexpected consequences. Since Black Teens are the single largest group effected by Firearm Homicides, pages 5 and 8, and are almost certainly included in this study as children, that means The Police are going to have to go into Black homes to "force" these common sense precautions.
Uhhhh....I see some problems here.
It's too easy, especially online, to have an image of "2A people" as older white males but the reality is pretty different. Yes 36% of Whites reporting owning a firearm but so do 24% of Blacks and 15% of Latinos.
That is literally 10s of millions of non-white gun owners and as you can see on page 10 in the Johns Hopkins study data the problem of gun violence is massively skewed towards non-whites.
Yes every gun owner needs to take appropriate measures to secure their firearms but how in the hell do you "force" that without ending up in very problematic situations?
Thanks for proving my point.
Yep, but I did it with that official statics and impeccable logic not hand-waving vagueness.
I also noticed that you didn't answer my question.
That's how you proved my point.
Millions and millions of 'responsible gun owners' donating to hundreds of politicians, and yet they can't come up with anything like a plan to stop even one kid from getting shot.
That's because NOT ENOUGH Kids are using Guns! We need Hospitals to give Babies FREE GUNS using Taxpayer Money every time they're Born! THEN we'll FINALLY Start seeing these numbers go NOT UP!
Have we tried more guns yet?