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    What's your favourite OS that does not use systemd? (infosec.pub)
    submitted 3 months ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    systemd cat and GNU cat hugging a Linux cat.

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    [–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

    I personally think AROS ( AROS Research Operating Syste ) is pretty cool. Same with just the basic Amiga Workbench 3 series ( the only one I have any experience with ).

    Obviously Amiga Workbench isn't daily driver ready, but neither is AROS since it's, from what I can tell, just an Amiga OS passion project trying to make a more modern more open source Amiga OS.

    [–] Limonene@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    My favorite is Debian, with systemd uninstalled. At this point, you can't install Debian without systemd, but you can uninstall systemd after OS installation.

    It used to be that most desktop environments in Debian depended on libpam-systemd, which depended on systemd and systemd-sysv. More recently, desktop environments just depend on libpam-elogind and elogind which is only part of systemd, and allows you to use sysvinit.

    I prefer sysvinit mainly because I find it easier to create custom services out of my own programs. My success rate at doing this in systemd is 1/3, and in sysvinit about 10/10.

    I also had a problem where a Debian-based embedded system had some kind of broken NTP client running on startup, and due to systemd, I couldn't figure out how to disable it. It would set the time to several years into the future, as soon as it first got a network connection on each startup.

    [–] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

    After having a lot of sysvinit experience, the transition to setting up my own systemd services has been brutal. What finally clicked for me was that I had this habit of building mini-services based on shellscripts; and systemd goes out of its way to deliberately break those: it wants a single stable process to monitor; and if it sniffs out that you are doing some sketchy things that forks in ways it disapproves of, it is going to shut the whole thing down.

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    [–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

    OS/2

    [–] videodrome@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

    MX Linux of course

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    What's SystemD and what is it bad?

    [–] Psythik@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

    This:

    screenshot of SystemD

    IDK why it's bad, though. My only complaint is that it can take a long time to boot depending on your system, but I don't think a SystemD issue.

    [–] serenissi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    There are few system manager (single project or a mix of components) that use linux features efficiently and none have dev resource remotely comparable to systemd. That's why in practice systemd is the best system layer implementation on gnu/linux. Android and chromeos userland (upstart derived) are not exactly (freedesktop) gnu/linux.

    EDIT: the post ask which OS though. Including userland I like android a lot, but I would say illumos distros (OI currently). illumos has a system management similar to systemd (contracts in place of cgroups for example). Actually systemd was heavily inspired by SMF too.

    [–] Tillman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

    Open or Free BSD.

    [–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

    I use Gentoo. I install systemd willingly. We are not the same.

    [–] impolite7537@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

    In terms of desktop operating systems, my first choices are usually Chimera Linux or FreeBSD.

    [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Lot's of Systemd apologists, barely one answer to the question.

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    [–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago

    Guix

    [–] ParadeDuGrotesque@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It's either Slackware (Linux, no systemd), OpenBSD or NetBSD.

    True story: I install a Red Hat server with a disk shelf with about 12 SAS disk in it. Red Hat has systemd. Everything works fine for a month.

    One (1) disk out of the 12 fails. No biggie. Shutdown the server cleanly. Replace disk. Flip power back on. Rebuild disk config. Simple, right?

    Wrong. You see, systemd is unhappy. It detects a new disk. It has lost a previous disk. And so, it refuses to boot. Period.

    Yes, there are ways out of this. But that was the day I decided systemd was the down of the devil.

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    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 3 months ago

    cat propaganda

    [–] CodeHead@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

    FreeBSD.

    And you can run Linux stuff just fine.

    [–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 months ago

    GrapheneOS for Google Pixels, LineageOS for any other phone.

    [–] LordTE7R1S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago

    Slackware linux

    [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 3 months ago

    GrapheneOS, I assume

    [–] aqua_cat@pawb.social 3 points 3 months ago

    Alpine. No GNU and systemD.

    [–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

    MacOS.

    But my actually favourite OS does use systemd.

    [–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago

    OPNSense.

    Now that Windows qualifies under the prompt, not that I'd pick it but it's just funny that it is.

    [–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    MacOS. I use Linux for servers, Mac for daily driver. Windows for zilch, only at my job because I have to.

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    [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

    πŸ€”Windows 🀣

    [–] r_deckard@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

    OS400 (IBM i)

    [–] the_wiz@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

    Well, for me personally this would be EmuTOS

    [–] diemartin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

    Offtopic, but... Another ANeko user :D

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