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[–] Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemmy.world 161 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago

They're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 👍

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that the bright side of life?

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[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 125 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 82 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.

The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:

Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:

So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

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Maybe it's time for a redemption arc.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.

Germany has great PR, it plays itself as such a progressive nation free of hate or want. It’s bullshit when you look beyond the surface

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

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[–] pm_me_weird_thoughts@lemm.ee 40 points 2 weeks ago

Germany is, after U.S, the most pro Israel country of all countries

[–] febra@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 27 points 2 weeks ago

They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.

[–] tresspass@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes

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[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

AfD be like: It hasn't officially started yet 👀

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

While Hitler was Austrian, Germans carried out the orders.

But honestly, the 1918 influenza was largely responsible for WWII, because the people who would have prevented Germany from getting ass fucked in the Treaty of Versailles were sick and didn't attend.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!

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[–] Lembot_0003@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're people from the country between France and Poland

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

between France and Poland

Not if they have a say in the matter.

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Yes, hi, you may not know of us, understandably - we like to keep to ourselves and not meddle in the affairs of others, ever since... The Incidents.

[–] Lembot_0003@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tap for spoilerThat time Bayern declared itself a soviet Republic in 1919, probably. Or maybe the toilet paper crisis of 1923. Or possibly the Affenkrawatte-Affair during the Weimar republic.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)
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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

They're like Austrians without the sense of humour (AH notwithstanding....)

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https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m

Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ne digga, unsere scheiß Regierung macht den Kack ja mit, weil einzige Demokratie im nahen Osten und Staatsräson und so

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ne digga

BRUH y'all can't just use my dyslexia against me like that wtf. Did not read this right at first!

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria

Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.

You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago

Wwi lead to wwiii lead to wwiii it's germans all the way down

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