Signal – an ethical replacement for WhatsApp : privacy

[–] orionsbelt@midwest.social 10 points 19 hours ago

this was pretty hilarious from a few days ago:

"Mansplaining Audacity": President of Signal Watches in Bemusement as Random Man Explains Her Company's AI Strategy to Her

https://futurism.com/president-signal-mansplain-ai

[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Use simpleX

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Irrelevant if nobody else uses it. It's partly because techies can never agree on a single alternative that we're still stuck with WhatsZuck.

[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

with that attitude yeah, lol. all my people use it. Also never agreeing on anything is not a techie specific quality, that's just humans in general lol

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Signal Devs. Please add bookmarks option. It would make my life a lot easier. 🙏

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Bookmarks? Do you mean bookmarking a spot in a conversation?

Though the search function is surprisingly fast. My wife has gotten into the habbit of adding keywords if she suspects she might want to get to something later.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 19 hours ago

Yeah exactly. But sometimes you forget to search or forget the right words. The bookmark can be used as a sort of “I’m gonna forget about this, but I wanna look at it again so I’ll bookmark it”.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

First, signal doesn't come anywhere close in feature parity.

Second, the CEO (disingenuously) stated they dropped SMS support because of engineering costs - , I don't trust them.

There are free SMS apps, because your app hasn't handled SMS ever, you just use the SMS API. Android itself handles it all - as of about 2012, all apps were required to use a single SMS database.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

SMS? Outside the USA it's used for almost nothing but 2FA codes at this point.

[+] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Or just don't use either.

[–] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Better yet, throw your computer into the sea

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

what's the beef with signal?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s centralized but I consider it the baseline for privacy.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You are definitely right but it's probably almost right at the sweet spot. Decentralization/federation is great for privacy, but think about what most non-technical people can handle. With federation alone, practically all non-tech people would even fail (or be confused by) the first step, namely to find an instance.

So are there more privacy friendly options than Signal? Definitely. But are those user friendly enough most people could use it? I can't think of one, but would live to hear some alternatives that are simple enough my mom could use it.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not everything has to be federated anyway, it's not inherently better for privacy by default, because you are putting your trust in more people. Signal can be audited easier than 1000 people hosting their own servers.

Signal isn't perfect, but it's the best option we have that everyone can understand to use.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

We get no privacy when the only server rug pulls.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 6 points 1 day ago

Then we move on. There's always a fork or alternative waiting.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You think you have privacy with buttfuckers6969 running your server? Reddit and Lemmy never cease to amaze me.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Never heard of end-to-end encryption?

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Jesus Christ 🤦‍♂️ you really do.

I'm not sure what I expected.

[–] Coolkat@slrpnk.net 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, people understand mails alright, which is fairly similar to the fediverde. They get very enthousiastic about AI and don't know anything about how it works.

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 1 points 22 hours ago

It's because they think AI will make them rich somehow and Signal is just a "boring" chat app.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Nothing like a mall, and your examples don't affect usability.

[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 4 points 22 hours ago

Your Mom could use https://simplex.chat/ I bet.

[–] perslue@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

On the user friendly note... The unfortunate part is that I'd love to use Signal, but there is no one on it. And I don't mean that millions of people use it is today, but there isn't a single person in my circle that uses it. Even if i started today and convinced one person, to use it, it wouldn't be something that I would default to because the non privacy focused apps are just easier.

So my arguement is there are no simple alternatives because every alternative still hasn't solved the population/popularity issue. I need one of these apps to be able to import ongoing groups and conversations that people can just immediately pick up in signal when I abandon whatsapp or whatever.... That's before I start using it, let alone my mom.

I do hope they get there though

[–] warm@kbin.earth 4 points 20 hours ago

That issue is down to you. To us.

Convincing people is hard and some might never move away from what they have.

I managed to convince my family and friends, they still use WhatsApp to talk to some people, but otherwise they use Signal.

[–] DavidGA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not OP, but I don’t like that it has a crypto wallet in it.

[–] lemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Signal? What? Where? Are you sure you don't mean Brave?

[–] DavidGA@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Signal has a “MobileCoin” wallet in it.

Brave is also awful.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 18 hours ago

Second, the CEO (disingenuously) stated they dropped SMS support because of engineering costs - , I don't trust them.

There are free SMS apps, because your app hasn't handled SMS ever, you just use the SMS API. Android itself handles it all - as of about 2012, all apps were required to use a single SMS database

[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

U.S. based. Not a great premise.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago

So, like, talk to other people verbally? No thank you.

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