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[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Isn't telegram russian? Why is anyone surprised here? Some people are living proof that humanity is as dumb as some dictators want us to believe it is. Jesus Christ

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Use SimpleX chat instead. It's open source, verified secure by 3rd party cryptologists, and has features like self destruct where you can input a secondary passcode and it will seemingly "log you in" while simultaneously deleting all chat history and recreating an account with your name. That ensures that any attempts to capture group members and torture their way into the group could be mitigated.

[–] Jaaaardvark@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

You don't understand how Ukrainians use telegram at all. It's first and foremost a Twitter replacement.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It always kinda baffled me that Ukraine was willing to rely on Telegram, you know, a Russian company.

[–] doortodeath@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russia is not all black, why do you think Telegram is getting as much backlash from states, media and every government that wants more control over certain groups?

"Organized use of the app has been linked to pro-democracy protests in Belarus,[250] Russia,[251] Hong Kong[252] and Iran,[253]"

From Wikipedia

I don't believe anyone is safe using a smart device if three letter organisations have any serious interest in your persona but i would bet that it is still one of the safer options if you take convinience of usage into play.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Used to. ruZZian government was attacking it hard and then suddenly stopped. After they started cooperating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia

[–] doortodeath@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Well they blocked half of the russian internet while not beeing able to shut it down, i think it plausible they just gave up and made it look like a win. I don't think military groups, secret service orgs and even Isis would be using it if there was any more danger than a bot scraping your group in an attempt to detect keywords. I much rather believe Durows arrest in france might have something to do with wider chanel blocks and deletes. I might be wrong, but i trust my guts on the credo "judge a person [app] by the enemys they make" and Telegram seems to be very high on the hitlist of any organ trying to break user privacy.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

looks more like the company caved in (prolly under immense political and legal threats from the state). Saver option to just ditch anything Russia had its hands in.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/54339

For me in this case the preferred approach is the Occam's razor - fsb found a way to take over. But following your credo, telegram is absolutely prohibited in the Ukrainian army - either they know or the risk is too high. Which is kind of the same thing.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago

No kidding. I've been iffy about the service since experts were skeptical about their custom encryption algorithm (I think) they created.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s time for them to use Signal and Matrix instead!

[–] Jaaaardvark@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neither has public channels.

The government needs to set up a public service Fediverse instances like the EU has

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yup, the more self-sufficient Ukraine gets the stronger the country becomes! Slava Ukranini 🇺🇦

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Details: The NotaYenota community noted that several Russian OSINT channels were also deleted alongside Ukrainian ones.