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A sovereign Microsoft 365 alternative: Nextcloud and IONOS join forces - Nextcloud (nextcloud.com)
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As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.

To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.

Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.

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[–] Alerian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.

That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)

Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don't go with the Ionos version.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Just branding, market positioning

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I've moved away from Nextcloud

It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago

I’ve found the docker version very easily to maintain.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Not sure how long ago you tried it. But my first attempt at an install back in 2021 was so much more complicated than when I did it again in 2024. It's been rock solid ever since. I use the docker all-in-one method, it's pretty straightforward. When I went back to college, I decided to use it to organize all my classwork, and it's perfect for that. I still prefer LibreOffice to author papers though.

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Using YunoHost saves a lot of hassles

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider

It's the first time I'm hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which 'United Internet' has a majority share (that I am sure of).
IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.

I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.

So in the end I would say it's either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 6 days ago

Intentional BSOD-coloured branding?

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Oh shit

This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.

AI-powered productivity features.

Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

No. Anytime who has actually done MSP work understand that most businesses are not purchasing office. They are purchasing a compliance and technology and identity control plane that has just about every add on a business needs.

Personal office use has always been a nice secondary.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

[–] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven't yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Doesnt categorize (if you wanna be specific: Only faces).
But it sure can search pictures by terms.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, trouble is that it doesn't really work well with Nextcloud together so I would have to migrate all of my devices.

And in the end it doesn't work much better than NC.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Search your heart. You know which it'll be.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't even have to search. I already know it'll be preinstalled/hidden opt-out based on current tech industry trends :/

I'd usually say that "I'm hoping for the best, prepared for the worst" but honestly at this point I think I have 0 hope, and I'm only prepared for the worst.

[–] cron@feddit.org 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thats from the current nextcloud docs:

We strive to bring Artificial Intelligence features to Nextcloud. This section highlights these features, how they work and where to find them. All of these features are completely optional. If you want to have them on your server, you need install them via separate Nextcloud Apps.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'll sleep much better because of this, thanks again!

I wish I could upvote you twice but you have my thanks🤗❤️

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 week ago

It’s all just part of their addons, so you choose yourself if you want AI. You can even choose to have local AI, if you don’t want to use an external AI, which I believe is ChatGPT.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

I have a nextcloud instance and I can confirm that the ai features are plugins, and are opt-in (and also pretty cool, as ai feature go)

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't have many problems with IONOS.
Our customers are usually recommended their S3 Object Storage (Very simple price structure)
I personally have the Business E-Mail due to it's price.
It's a bit limited and no DKIM but sufficient for most things.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

It is cheap, but the performance leaves much to be desired and their technical support is piss poor.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ionos used to be 1&1 which had a fairly poor reputation. Not sure what it's become nowadays. Apparently they haven't gotten much better.

[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago

They have fairly good prices for small VPS, something like €1-2 and I cannot complain. Perfect for some small self hosting. I cannot comment on their more performant boxes.

1&1 is kind of typical telco, with all the shady stuff and contracts. DSL from them is without any issues. Mobile is kind of problematic, it was fine for past 3-4 years but with their "Fancy 5G net up to 300mbps" has pretty shit so far. Last week I was abroad and my sim would not connect at all. Contacted them via online chat and they said to call them... They fixed it after like 20h

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Last time with customer service I was actually satisfied. Same with 1&1. They were cooperative and reasonable (unlile Vodafone and Telekom from what I heard)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Well people diss Hetzner too, but I haven't really had any issues with them either. So maybe reputations aren't always something to go by.

[–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It would be nice if they could offer alternatives for individuals with prices comparable to those of Hetzner Storage Share (which is based on NC). Somewhat, I feel every other NC hosting solution is way more expensive per GB.

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[–] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Please tell me they're not writing it in php.

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah, it'll be CGI.

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[–] cron@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.

[–] stardustwager@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling

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[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Owncloud infinite scale seems, well, much more scalable

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