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[–] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I feel like the reason there's been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.

If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran's loss.

Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters' strategy.

I think this causes some... feelings.

[–] Ebber@lemmings.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he's the candidate from one of the two big parties.

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[–] the_trash_man@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not really. New York's mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it's a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he's running as an independant.

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[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ranked choice voting and money out of politics are much more important than this dualistic psychological warfare. Republicans lose votes to third parties, too. Don't play their game. Vote blue if you want, but also extend love to your "deplorable" neighbor. Our division is a much stronger force for control than who is signing oligarchical legislation.

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[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

blaming that one guy is the mentallity that brought that country to its knees. good job, and have fun in the camps.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I agree, the controlled opposition preventing real opposition is a much bigger issue than the problem itself.

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[–] TASchwitters@lemmings.world 21 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

this yet again, still seething.

democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is a fucking pointless fight. If you're still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn't matter what side of the argument you're one, you're a part of the problem.

Y'all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn't happen.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While that sentiment may be the most frustrating, even if every third party voted against Trump, he still would have won. If even 10% of those voters went to Trump, he would have even won the popular vote. Polling suggests that non voters were about evenly split, so a stronger turnout generically may have done nothing.

The result was mostly due to a very boring reason. Inflation was high so whoever in office gets the blame. Similarly Trump lost mainly because COVID sucked, and anyone would have lost (his response did suck, but we saw that there was no such thing as a sufficiently good response).

People like to imagine some big political cause for good or for ill moving the voters, but by and large it's mostly about how comfortable or uncomfortable they are in the moment to vote for or against the status quo of the moment. But those folks are "just voting" while a very loud minority talks up their "superior" choice to not vote for a lamestream candidate. They speak loudly, but they didn't have enough votes this time to make a difference. They did in 2000 (technically Gore did have the votes when the data was in, but third party would have made it a decisive Gore victory).

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Y'all are never making it out of the shit you're in if this is how you're thinking. Neither the republicans nor the democrats represent the interests of the working class. You're just pissed now that the fascism your country has been spreading across the world for decades both under the democrats and under the republicans is coming home to hatch now.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.

I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This community is still in denial from last year I see, I guess none of you braindeads learned your lesson huh

Even funnier now that the DNC approved candidate is running as a 3rd party in NYC after losing his own primary. Suddenly no issue voting for an independent candidate there.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn't earn my vote so I didn't, that's pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can't imagine that perspective but at least that's a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.

It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.

All this said, the numbers didn't break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there's nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.

Sadly, they both "may" be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can't do it. We need more parties to at least make it so people can't just run and win by not being then other guy.
And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could... but they won't. I'm from Oregon, so my vote doesn't matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Jesus Christ the election is long over

Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.

You cannot vote democracy in if there's no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won't save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.

Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.

Please, if you aren't already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.

[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Watching Biden kiss billionaire ass was way better than watching Trump's construction of concentration camps and also kiss billionaire ass.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People who focus on just one sole issue and ignore the full consequences and the reality of the say they do have deserve about as much democracy as MAGA. But don't worry, you no longer will have any say at all.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (12 children)

This PIS again...

Oh, let's not blame the Nazis and their supporters in 1930s Germany. Let's blame everyone else who didn't vote the SPD.

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[–] scott@lemmy.org 85 points 3 days ago (35 children)

If democrat politicians weren't so shit it wouldn't be so close in the first place

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[–] minoscopede@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I'm getting tired of this back and forth. This bickering is childish and our time would be better spent drumming up positive interest for ranked choice voting.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (17 children)

You're blaming the one independent when there's 80k red voters?

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