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When I’m unhappy, I feel like I’m doing life wrong. I’d rather be happy. But is happiness the point of life, or is there more to it? If I pursue happiness, mine first then for those around me, is that selfish? But if there’s a bigger purpose, then what about people with Alzheimer’s or dementia who can’t recall recent experiences or make plans?

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe flip it around? The point of unhappiness (or dissatisfaction) is to get the organism to change up what it's doing; to locate new goals and pursue them. That can mean engaging with others in different ways than you did before.

If you're satisfied, you mostly stick with what you're doing already. (Which might include seeking novelty as well.) If you're unsatisfied, you may be ready to ditch your current situation for a new one as soon as one comes up.


Dementia in elders is really freakin' sad. But there's a lot of difference in people's experience of it. I happen to know two people in their 70s suffering dementia, who have very different levels of unhappiness. (They also live in rather different situations, although both are in relatively rural settings. Both live with a spouse and with supportive neighbors.)

One is largely satisfied and comfortable; the other is often pissed off and frustrated. This seems to have a lot to do with what their attitudes and social interactions were like before the dementia set in.

[–] investorsexchange@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you for your comments about dementia. It scares me, but I was wondering if happiness is worthwhile, even if the person that I spark happiness in won’t ever remember it. I think of both elderly people and small children, because my kids no longer remember some of our early vacations, which are some of my happiest memories. And I conclude that making people happy is valuable in itself and never wasted, even if they will forget. Maybe because that’s how I conceive of my own personality or being: I make people feel good and that makes me who I am. But maybe that says more about me or my society than about life in general.

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Happiness is fleeting. You should seek contentment over happiness.

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not all life can have meaning or greater purpose, that happens in fiction mostly anyway.

Find things that make you comfortable, content and feel safe, and fill your life with them. It's ok to just be.

[–] investorsexchange@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But isn’t our life really just the story we tell ourselves about ourselves? I guess I’m trying to create a narrative arc, and your comment says to me: enjoy the exposition and character development; it’s enough.

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[–] UziBobuzi@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

The only purpose to life is to live it. Beyond that, you have to find the meaning that suits you for yourself.

[–] argentcorvid@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

no the purpose of life is to exist

[–] fffact@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Consider reading "Existentialism is a Humanism"

[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The purpose of life is to not die.

[–] investorsexchange@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Technically the truth.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. Happiness is nice, when you have it, but you have to create meaning in life.

And purpose? You can have a purpose but Life in general does not.

[–] investorsexchange@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, this is an interesting idea. I said purpose, but you said meaning. Aren’t those the same? Imagine I’m pursuing something pointless, like hedonistic pleasure. Why isn’t that meaningful? How can I determine if my actions are meaningful?

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Determine is an ambiguous word, here, so I'm going to break it into two parts:

  • You might discover that your actions are meaningful to others. Hedonic pleasure probably won't be, but everyone is into something.

  • You decide if something is meaningful to yourself.

Something doesn't have to have a purpose to b meaningful; and something doesn't have to be meaningful to have a purpose, or at least, not meaningful outside of that purpose. I can appreciate the buffing leaves on a tree in spring without needing those specific leaves o that tree for anything. I have several wooden spoons that serve me well in the kitchen but if they disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care.

To be clear: Meaning is internal, but purpose is some sort of external function, utility, or goal.

[–] java@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Hundun@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Del: sorry, I had a brain fart

[–] BlaBlaBla@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

The purpose of human life is to submit ourselves to the Idea.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago

Everyone has to figure out their own purpose

For me, the purpose is to experience life. The good, the bad, everything.

As an aside, happiness is a carrot / stick game. Evolution has ensured that its unobtainable for any length of time.

You're better off seeking contentment.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

There is no inherent purpose.

[–] Paragone@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

The purpose of life, is understanding.

Elemental bits of unconscious soul-awareness want to have their own experiencings, so they get caught in conceptions/lives, and have, at first, unconscious experiencings ( like a mass-of-bacteria or something ), and eventually that particular soul/atman evolves until it accidentally coincides with a human-category-life, and then, suddenly, it has self-determination/free-will/significant-karma, so now it becomes a pinball in the Universe-game...

Being fired around by the meanings it emitted into Universe, it tries applying unconsciousness-answers, and they just make things worse...

Eventually, it has reabsorbed sooo many meanings, that it becomes understanding/wise, and it realizes that this birth/striving/sickness/death cycle seems deranged, and desiring this endless cyclical-process is deranged, so it begins earning the yogas of mind, meaning, will, intent, etc, and then earns its ability to lift itself from the whole-process, up into aware-nonengaging, which is called "Blissful Clear Light" awareness, and it can simply dissolve into OceanOfAllAwakeSouls, seeing an endless-stream of Universes go by, every one crammed with unconscious & semi-conscious souls/atmans, who haven't yet earned their dissolving-into-the-ocean-of-AWARENESS that religious-types call "God", and .. all souls Realize.

Endless stream of countless souls, each getting its own cycle-of-lives, reaping what it sowed, no matter how many "lives" ago the sowing-of-that-meaning was...

the processing is perfectly efficient.

The Christian bible's "Jacob's Ladder" was a depiction of souls climbing "down" into matter & "up" from unconsciousness...

The Christian bible's "Prodigal Son" parable was about an individual soul/atman doing its down/up process: when it got fed-up with the false-answers, it turned within ( remember the root-guru of Christianity told them "The Kingdom of God is Within", telling them to be meditating ), and "climbing the inner-mountain", to use a buddhist phrase...

The Abrahamic religions use baptism to symbolize a soul immersing itself in unconsciousness & matter, then coming up/out of its unconsciousness...

The thing is, souls who haven't experienced anything, want to experience their meanings, and have their understandings, but they can't believe that "suffering" or "harm" etc are "real", so they dive-in, and try holding to symbols, which, of course, doesn't work...

Again, the Christian bible has an excellent symbol representing the truth:

in Revelations, John is given the Book Of Truth to eat, and he eats it, and it is syrupy-sweet in his face, but bitter in his belly, exactly as Truth itself is:

Symbolic-"truth" is naive/sweet, but real Truth is bitter, hard-earned, good aversion-therapy.


So, what to do, then?

Face into karma, face into one's evolution, as human-category-lives are extraordinarily-rare in Universe, so make maximal use of what glorious opportunity you've got.

Mom brought me up Catholic, but I experienced some memories that didn't even fit human-category-life, and, years-later, discovered they were soul-memories of other kinds of lives, which blew-up all the Abrahamic-religions, for me.

Want to get a hornet/wasp/bee out of your home?

Their sentience loves swimming ( it feels like swimming: sentience feels wet, in that kind of life ) into luminance & openness, so, simply darken/block all the ways you don't want 'em going, and light up where you do want them going, and make certain that no scent is overriding their free-will, and they should leave your home.

That method doesn't work with other families of insects, btw, so the experience-induced-understanding I gained from that soul-memory doesn't work for representing any other kind of 'em.

Buddha Gautama Shakyamuni was right about fish being really mentally-limited: if you want your soul's next life to be something other than human, go for the hive-insects, as they have awesome amounts of awareness for such teensy brains.


We only exist as temporary "clothes" that the souls underlying our lives are "wearing".

Learning/understanding is the whole point of everything.

The desire-for-experiencing of souls is what drives evolution: when that energy expires, the population/culture/civilization/species collapses.

It's simple, and "our kind" isn't the center of the Universe, as the various Abrahamic religions all insist we are ( in spite of evidence ).

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Facing into karma, gently but relentlessly pushing oneself to evolve, to see just how competent/complete one can become, to experience as much meaning as one can, within one's meagre years, you know?

Evolution, internalized.

Among our kind there are 3 dimensions/layers/substances of mind:

  • SurfaceMind, which dissipates every few hours
  • underlying-LifeMind, which begins forming at conception, and shatters in death
  • underlying-the-LifeMind Soul/CellOfGod/Atman/ChildOfGod/Rigpa, that ALL lives have driving them, until they die, when it detaches/goes-its-own-way...

Huston Smith's brilliant & profound book "World Religions" gave much of this, in its Hindu & Buddhist chapters, btw, in case you want some source who is established.

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