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[–] harcesz@szmer.info 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ukrainians working hard on cutting global emissions, what is the rest of the world doing?

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I dunno that burning an oilfield is really the best solution to cutting emissions...

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Long term it is.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It's not the oil fields, but refineries and pump stations for the pipes.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

While it's burning, it emits a bit more, since the combustion of whatever's in there is less complete. Then it stops.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

These are refineries not oil fields. They turn oil into gasoline, diesel, kerosene and much much more.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

that tally is wildly optimistic. last time i've checked, one of latest strikes, the one on kirishi, disabled some 30% of capacity (it's too big of facility to have only one oil processing stream, so there are two in parallel. the one disabled had a bit under half of capacity, and the other one is using all slack capacity it had) and only for a month or two. some of strikes listed are from year+ ago

even with that, some 20% of oil processing capability is disabled (or was at some point), and further decrease would mean that decline in oil extraction is needed because export of crude and storage can't keep up. which means that some oil wells would get disused, and if these are down for some time they can't get restarted easily

update: salavat refinery was hit like, 2h ago

[–] blueworld@piefed.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Great context addition to the graphic!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a little bit of fine print about that if you look closely.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 2 weeks ago

yeah, that's the wildly optimistic bit

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you mean the equipment will take time to set back up? Oil wells actually produce a bit better for a while after they sit, because pressure gradients slowly equalize.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 2 weeks ago

in 90s, russian oil production dropped by almost half, and rebuilding that output took some 20 years. i thought it was because when you stop using oil well, all these sediments settle and over time it becomes harder to draw oil from it. or was it all undermaintained and they just capped a bunch of wells back then?

This sparks joy πŸ₯°

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Next? I would love to see the same ones hit hard enough that they're for sure completely knocked out.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as "for sure completely knocked out". If nothing else, you can build a completely new facility on the same plot of land. And that would be "the facility having been repaired". Ukraine is damaging the facilities so that they are off for long enough. And currently it seems that the percentage of Russian oil refinery capacity off line is growing slowly but steadily.

It costs money keeping them off line, but it costs tenfold or hundredfold that much to get them back online. It's a sensible deal!

I mean yeah. I didn't intend to sound unimpressed, I was referring to the tiny asterisk at the bottom of the graphic. I want that factoid about total production to be true, is all.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

more damage is done, if they are repairing it, and your hitting the refineries, it makes it more expensive for them.

Expensive damage is good, but if the lack of production can cause logistical issues, that would be even more expensive

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is the Orsk Refinery burning in blue?

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's flooded due to a poorly constructed dam collapsing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orsk_Dam_collapse

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The pro environment part of me: 😱

The pro Ukrainian part of me: πŸ˜‚πŸ’₯πŸ’₯πŸ’₯

[–] xvertigox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The only way to stop our dependence on fossil fuels is to make them commercially nonviable.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Which ones are next?

All of them. πŸ˜‹

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

This brings joy to my heart.