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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/45277582

Opening my weather app this morning I was greeted by this warning:

Google has announced that, starting in 2026/2027, all apps on certified Android devices will require the developer to submit personal identity details directly to Google. Since the developers of this app do not agree to this requirement, this app will no longer work on certified Android devices after that time.

It's the first time I hear about this, seems to be about:

Tech crunch article from august, "google will require developer verification for android apps outside the play store"

Cirrus app: Github

Was this a big thing I somehow missed? I hope more devs will follow suit.

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 100 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Can't have shit in a closed system. Fuck google.

Linux on phones needs to become a thing. If they start locking down like apple does I will literally go back to a dumb phone.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Degoogled android ROMs will not have this restriction, as they will just have googles verification system removed. So until linux for mobile is a bit more ready you can still use graphene/lineage/etc.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So long as you can still have GrapheneOS and others. Google's handling of pushing updates and device tree shows how fragile that actually is. Linux phone is going to be the best solution so long as Google runs Android

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Aparrently they are trying to close the Sharing off android.

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The issue with that is that fewer and fewer phones have unlockable bootloaders.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

Linux on phones no where near as private or usable

Android (AOSP) is really solid as a platform. Even with Google trying to turn it into a proprietary hellscape projects like Lineage OS still work to build a open platform

[–] hobwell@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not an endorsement, but I just found out about the existence of this phone today: FLX1 which purports to be based on Debian.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Seems to me like there's about to be one hell of a market for phones that you can run alternative operating systems.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Unfortunately, I think the vast majority who care are already using one. However, with Google device tree and other shenanigans on Pixel devices, it probably makes substantial room within the niche market for the likes of Fairphone and Shiftphone to get into new regions.

On the other hand, mandates for major operating systems to report illegal activity that are in the pipeline could have a larger effect.

I dunno, I'm talking out my ass.

[–] Turret3857 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If I didnt have to pay 2x - 3x the price for a fairphone in the US I would've already switched. Unfortunately, $1k for a device with USB 2.0 is really not worth it for me or anyone else I know.

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But you don't need to buy a Fairphone to use /e/OS. You can install it for free on any supported phone, so it's worth checking the website to see if your phone is supported. Switching to /e/OS has breathed new life into my Moto g 7 without having to spend a penny on hardware.

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[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Agreed, though if it weren't for tariffs it wouldn't be too expensive to ship from the likes of Clove Technologies. If the extra cost were going to Calyx instead of Murena I might pull the trigger.

[–] Turret3857 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

SO TRUE LOL! If you could get the FP5/6 with a Calyx Membership that would be bomb.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe they could make some similar arrangement with Shiftphone.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On the other hand, mandates for major operating systems to report illegal activity that are in the pipeline could have a larger effect.

That's pretty much what I'm afraid of, full 1984

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 1 week ago

And massive propaganda campaigns are turning people's civic energy back on themselves, and their own communities. Ain't life grand?

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[–] lath@piefed.social 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Technically, this would allow the identification of malware providers in Google's app store.

Practically, every us citizen's personal identification details were taken by doge idiots and are likely by now up for sale at a cheap price, so false identification by malware providers is pretty much guaranteed.

It's a "we covered our ass" policy same as any "save the children" that does anything but the implied thing.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

This is about all app makers, not just ones in the Google Play Store. This also applies to third party app devs and hobbiests making open source apps to put up on alternative app stores like the all open source F-Droid.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Technically, this would allow the identification of malware providers in Google's app store.

play store publishers are already needed to submit (and publish) their name and address. they made it a requirement ~5 years ago.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How do I uncertify an Android device then?

[–] 01189998819991197253 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Install a custom ROM. Or buy a Chinese made phone, such as Xiaomi (which I do not recommend***).

Edit: some custom ROM links in no particular order:

*** Edit 2: I don't recommend the route of a Chinese brand, because I've had only bad experiences.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Turret3857 5 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why the Chinese phone would work? In Europe they have Google play services and thus are also affected. Maybe it's the Chinese version of those? Not sure if they have Google play services there

[–] 01189998819991197253 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's a fair point. It depends on the manufacturer. Some brands don't have google play preinstalled. I probably should have mentioned that before, sorry mate. The Xiaomi I had didn't have playstore installed, so I had installed fdroid and aurora store. I'm actually not sure about the future of aurora store with this play store integrity bs.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Note that if you're in the US, Samsung doesn't unlock the bootloaders at all and afaik Motorola is also hit or miss. Importing a phone is also risky as international versions might not have the cell bands required for US carriers.

If you want a custom ROM in the US you basically have to buy a pixel, and at that point you might as well go with GrapheneOS since it's the most secure

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[–] stray@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm really confused by this. First, does any phone running a legit copy of Android count as a "certified Android device"?

How can they enforce this for apps not on the play store? Like if I write my own APK will my phone just refuse to run it if I don't go through some paperwork with Google? How does that work?

Like if they're capable of this then why aren't they doing it already to prevent piracy?

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

To your first question: Google released a list of all "certified" android devices and it's basically every phone from every halfway known brand. So yeah, you will be effected. The only devices unaffected by this would probably be no name Chinese phones (probably also Huawei, but I am not shure) and IOT devices like smart fridges. The best way to avoid this would probably be installing a custom ROM, like Graphene OS.

To your second question, the Android System already controlls the package Installation process, do you know the "Do you want to install this APK" popup, you geht every time you want to install an app outside of the playstore? That's controlled by the android operating systen and by extension Google. In the future, every android apk would have to have a unique "developer key" attached to it and if it isn't verified by google, the android system can just refuse to install the apk. For that, you don't have to go through the playstore, but you still would have to go through a verification process with Google for every app, you make. How that will be implemented in detail is not yet quite known.

Google could have done this much earlier, it isn't hard to implement, but you can't make it in a way that only negatively impacts ransomware or pirated apps. And most sideloading on Android is perfectly legitimate, so the reason, why Google hasn't done it, because there is (deservately) a big pushback from developers.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

(probably also Huawei, but I am not shure)

Huawei's HarmonyOS NEXT is no longer based on Android code and requires some workarounds to install applications outside of AppGallery (Huawei's app store).

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