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Magic mushrooms have been used in traditional ceremonies and for recreational purposes for thousands of years. However, a new study has found that mushrooms evolved the ability to make the same psychoactive substance twice. The discovery has important implications for both our understanding of these mushrooms’ role in nature and their medical potential.

Magic mushrooms produce psilocybin, which your body converts into its active form, psilocin, when you ingest it. Psilocybin rose in popularity in the 1960s and was eventually classed as a Schedule 1 drug in the US in 1970, and as a Class A drug in 1971 in the UK, the designations given to drugs that have high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use. This put a stop to research on the medical use of psilocybin for decades.

But recent clinical trials have shown that psilocybin can reduce depression severity, suicidal thoughts and chronic anxiety.

Some not-so-clinical trials have reached the same conclusion. Still, it's a bit unclear where researchers are finding a bottleneck on producing cubensis. Give those fuckers the right environment, and after the fourth flush, you're trying to give them away as soon as they're dry.

This study may provide scientists with additional tools to produce psilocybin to use for medical purposes. Mushrooms tend to grow slowly both in nature and in the laboratory. Psilocybe (magic mushrooms) take about two months to grow from spores to mature mushrooms.

Oof. "May provide" is lousy writing and invites the reader to internalize "but then again, it may not."

Pedantry aside, these scientists need to try growing a vegetable. "Two months is an eternity!" Yeah, compared to bacterium.

And it's a bit involved but not complex with SOPs proven to avoid contamination. Getting there's the hard part. After that, you should have plenty of liquid culture good to go, and from there, it's just a matter of inoculating, breaking and sending to bulk ahead of multiple flushes per cake.

Like, it's way easier than actually doing organic chemistry!

If large amounts of psilocybin are needed for testing in clinical trials or for future medical use, quick and sustainable ways of producing it should be investigated.

Scale. Let's be conservative and presume two flushes per 6L-shoebox cake. Once you've got to liquid culture, you can start filling jars daily to have a constant supply.

Currently, psilocybin is produced using synthetic material because it is faster than extracting the compound from mushrooms and has higher yields.

It's also still produced the old-fashioned way.

This has its drawbacks though. The current synthetic extraction methods that scientists use generate hazardous waste and include key steps that can only be carried out on a small scale.

Because what I want from psychedelic therapy is producing hazardous chemicals as a byproduct. With spent cakes, you can compost them, trash them or just throw them in the yard and hope they react to the next rainstorm.

Enzymes are inherently more sustainable than non-biological catalysts because they generally operate in mild conditions (such as low temperature and neutral pH) and are easier to purify, which reduces energy consumption and waste. Also, enzymes are biodegradable, which helps decrease the environmental impact of industrial processes.

Ya think?

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[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago

Thanks for the analysis & comments.

Maybe one day...

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Like, it’s way easier than actually doing organic chemistry!

Like, i get the Insulin and similar drugs are nowadays produced preliminarily in a lab (in genetically modified bacteria), because harvesting it from cows and pigs is tedious, needs a lot of animals to slaughter (ethical concerns), and there's really not much that you can harvest that way (because insulin reserves in one animal are small, i'm not sure how many human-days that lasts). So, if you need large quantities and good quality (purity), genetically modified organisms/bacteria (GMOs) is the way to go.

But Psilocybin is really not the best candidate for that. For one, similar to how sugar is absorbed more slowly by the body if you eat an apple instead of drink apple juice, which prevents blood-sugar-spikes, it's also good if that psilocybin is actually mixed with the rest of the fungus instead of isolated. Because having it low-dosed inside a bigger fungus makes it more difficult to accidentally over-dose.

Like, if you have pure psilocybin, i guess that 0.01g can already lead to drastic effects, including schizophrenia-inducing effects in people who are already vulnerable. But it's more difficult to overdose if you need to consume at least 0.5 - 1g of fungus to even notice any effects at all. Because it's easier to dose if the quantities involved are large enough that you can even see them with your naked eye. You get what i mean?

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Along those lines, you eat enough shrooms, and you will vomit up everything from the past week. Extract sounds like a terrible idea. That's like giving someone a vial of acid and an eyedropper and telling them to dose appropriately.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Pedantry aside, these scientists need to try growing a vegetable. “Two months is an eternity!” Yeah, compared to bacterium.

Hahah, yeah, true :)

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 1 points 6 minutes ago

Scientist's diary: "I wanted to be a dad, but it turns out gestation is more than three days."

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Once you've bought a pressure cooker and a laminar flow hood, and all the jars and boxes and shit you need, it's like $20 per quarter pound of mushrooms or less. It costs nothing.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

At that point, it's literally the cost of your grain of choice and however much you need to reup on CVG. Once you get to clean LC, things get crazy in a hurry. I ended up with 2kg wet (~200g dry) from two tubs that each produced four flushes. I'd been taking samples from particularly pretty fruits to clone, but that was abandoned on agar after the flushes kept coming.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

At one point I had ounces of dried mushrooms with desiccant in jars in my freezers that sat there for a year. I don't like taking mushrooms anymore so they just sat there until I started a new job and just gave them away to pretty much the whole sales team.

One day a new hire came up to em and was like: are you the guy that's giving away feee mushrooms? I was like: sure man, how much you want?

They cleaned me out in like a month ahahahha.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

"How much you want?"

"Yes."

Like, there's a learning curve, sure, but once you know how to grow (after, for me, months of frustration) in a hospitable environment, there's really no stopping them. Especially once you start selecting for genetics from particularly tumescent fruits.

I was dub-tubbing it, and each time I woke up to the top tub knocked over, I suspected my cat. But they can really grow that fast. Pins one day and veils about to drop 2-3 days later.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

I love watching the little fuckers grow. And the smell is so good. I hate tripping on psilocybin but there really isn't something magical about watching those things grow from microscopic spores to fruits.

Don't know if I'd ever do it again with anything psychedelic, but I will give it a go with regular ass edible mushrooms some time soon.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 1 points 7 minutes ago

There's definitely an earthiness to the smell. But I grew up loving champignons, so it's familiar.

I was working in office for my grows, so I'd take a look in the morning, and it would be like "OK, we're days out" ... then get home and find a forest about to drop spores and cancel all plans for the evening while tending to preservation.

They do enjoy fucking with you.