In a country that continues to segregate and discriminate by gender, you're going to keep getting government stamp your documentation for proper sorting.
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European driver's licenses don't have gender.
In France I believe they do, they are all masculine. "le permis de conduire"
They're masculine in German too - "Der Lappen". Despite that fact, some men get quite upset when you call them Lappen. How dramatic 🙄
In polish they're neuter - "prawo jazdy", such a win for nb people
Are drivers licenses standard for all of the EU or do they vary by country?
They vary some in design elements, but mostly they we all have the pink card format license now, and the info on them are mostly standardised across all countries.
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They do state the ID-number, which has digits that can be used to determine the registered gender.
My country DOES have an option to remove the gender marker from ID and all official docs/files BUT it's only for intersex people 🙃
how do you become intersex then?
You gotta be born with both male and female parts. Not just in your brain, in your body
makes sense. so it's determined at birth?
Yeah, unfortunately.
Person from the original comment, in the country where gender markers are only possible if you're intersex. Some people are determined to be intersex at birth, but you can get diagnosed later. That's usually when you phenotypically fit into the sex binary, but your hormone levels are above a certain threshold.
The threshold is kinda low, so e.g. me, AFAB, will get tested for T levels, and, if I'm lucky, be diagnosed as hormonally intersex, and be able to match the official gender marker to my gender (I can choose between X, something that's currently eluding me and no marker, and will go for the latter). Kinda like how some cis women are excluded from women's sports for having too much T, except in this case, it's wanted. Low key considering using bodybuilder T to skew the test, since it's bullshit that the gender marker can't reflect my gender.
Edit: T is testosterone. There's also many other types of intersex that also aren't 'having both parts'. Could be that there's ovaries inside and masc-reading genitals outside, or that the genitalia doesn't match the sex chromosomes, could be having more than two sex chromosomes (like XXY or XYY instead of just XX or XY), could be you go through a kinda puberty that doesn't match a purely estrogen based or testosterone based puberty, e.g. growing both breasts and a beard. There's sooo many possibilities, some of which will easily be caught at birth, some of which will only be caught later, or even never.
This is more in line with why non-binary came about. Though, broadly, it was always a rejection of the social or cultural concepts of gender—of which it was just the typical two. Somehow this attracted the idea of wanting to still have a gender (for some reason), just not one of the two existing ones. It has more practically evolved to this now.
Over time, those that once were non-binary have to explain themselves, which I find fucking ironic.
Ya can't just say, "I don't have one" or "I don't align to any" because it's a required field full of nonsense you don't follow and non-binary means something else now or at least opens people up to assuming you're one of many things you obviously are not.
N/A would be great.
Agender?
Yeah, that's how it rolls now, but you won't find that on a form.
And even if it were, of course, "You identify as an agender. What's that?"
"I'm not "an agender", it's a position. I just don't care for them. They don't matter or mean anything."
"So like a non-binary?"
"Yeah... Well, no. Look, I really don't fucking care. It's an identity thing so it's all up to your perception of me anyway. Whatever first pops in your head, just go with that. Just don't be surprised if I do things that don't fit into the social stereotypes of it or any of the other ones."
"I'm confused."
"Uuuuuugh. I'm just me, okay. Fuck, just imagine it's N/A and we'll move along... See, this is why-... ugh, nevermind."
This is exactly my approach to gender. I’m glad it matters so much to some, and that it can bring them great joy. To me it’s just not really a consideration.
I say he/him because it’s easy and problem free, but you’ll never view me with the same lens I do anyway, so it doesn’t actually matter. I know who I am.
This is why i just say 'queer' and tell people they dont need to know and dont have time for the truth. Sometimes i add 'which lie would you prefer?'.
which lie would you prefer?
Perfect.
Maybe it's time to stop giving so many shits about what is in people's chromosomes, between their legs, or what they prefer to fuck. This is so insanely engrained into modern society. If I see a bald little baby and tell the mother "he's very sweet, what's his name?" she may scowl and say "Her! It's a girl!" taking my polite gesture and souring it as if I did something offensive. How in the world did we end up caring so much about this? Obviously that situation is an easy mistake to make and bears no consequences whatsoever. Alternatively if you say" what's it's name" this is viewed as dehumanizing, you really can't win. Kid hasn't had a chance to even decide it's gender and we are all up in arms about what people call it as soon as it's born.
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In my state (in Australia) we don't have a gender marker on our licenses at all, which is great for every other time you use a license. But a cop can just pull your file on their computer and it displays it there. Seems like the pawblem is just cops, i dunno fam ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Us licenses are crazy in general.
Why it needs to list your height, weight, eye colour and sex at all make no sense.
It's literally a tool meant to identify you. It listing obvious physical characteristics to describe you makes common sense. Simply having a picture isn't that descriptive considering it's just a headshot.
Why should a drivers license include more personal information than a passport does?
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Optical identification.
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Sex: yes
Gender: no
why does a license even need sex, though? like when is it ever used as proof of identity by dropping your pants?
why does a license even need sex, though?
It gets lonely
Sometimes I find mine cuddling with my CC.
look at mister goosmoos here, thinks licenses should be condemned to never fuck
they can handle it themselves like the rest of us if they get the urge
handle it themselves
my license ain't got hands is mine defective
The license already has a picture. Neither sex nor gender provide any value in identification, and have lead to misidentification of cis people too.
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Sex: yes
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