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European driver's licenses don't have gender.
In France I believe they do, they are all masculine. "le permis de conduire"
They're masculine in German too - "Der Lappen". Despite that fact, some men get quite upset when you call them Lappen. How dramatic 🙄
In polish they're neuter - "prawo jazdy", such a win for nb people
Are drivers licenses standard for all of the EU or do they vary by country?
They vary some in design elements, but mostly they we all have the pink card format license now, and the info on them are mostly standardised across all countries.
They're not mostly pink though.
This is more in line with why non-binary came about. Though, broadly, it was always a rejection of the social or cultural concepts of gender—of which it was just the typical two. Somehow this attracted the idea of wanting to still have a gender (for some reason), just not one of the two existing ones. It has more practically evolved to this now.
Over time, those that once were non-binary have to explain themselves, which I find fucking ironic.
Ya can't just say, "I don't have one" or "I don't align to any" because it's a required field full of nonsense you don't follow and non-binary means something else now or at least opens people up to assuming you're one of many things you obviously are not.
N/A would be great.
There have always been more than two genders, there were never two existing genders
That's subjective to the society, culture, and/or timeline. But there definitely hasn't "always been". At one point there were none. We'll get there again.
Agender?
Yeah, that's how it rolls now, but you won't find that on a form.
And even if it were, of course, "You identify as an agender. What's that?"
"I'm not "an agender", it's a position. I just don't care for them. They don't matter or mean anything."
"So like a non-binary?"
"Yeah... Well, no. Look, I really don't fucking care. It's an identity thing so it's all up to your perception of me anyway. Whatever first pops in your head, just go with that. Just don't be surprised if I do things that don't fit into the social stereotypes of it or any of the other ones."
"I'm confused."
"Uuuuuugh. I'm just me, okay. Fuck, just imagine it's N/A and we'll move along... See, this is why-... ugh, nevermind."
This is why i just say 'queer' and tell people they dont need to know and dont have time for the truth. Sometimes i add 'which lie would you prefer?'.
which lie would you prefer?
Perfect.
This is exactly my approach to gender. I’m glad it matters so much to some, and that it can bring them great joy. To me it’s just not really a consideration.
I say he/him because it’s easy and problem free, but you’ll never view me with the same lens I do anyway, so it doesn’t actually matter. I know who I am.
Maybe it's time to stop giving so many shits about what is in people's chromosomes, between their legs, or what they prefer to fuck. This is so insanely engrained into modern society. If I see a bald little baby and tell the mother "he's very sweet, what's his name?" she may scowl and say "Her! It's a girl!" taking my polite gesture and souring it as if I did something offensive. How in the world did we end up caring so much about this? Obviously that situation is an easy mistake to make and bears no consequences whatsoever. Alternatively if you say" what's it's name" this is viewed as dehumanizing, you really can't win. Kid hasn't had a chance to even decide it's gender and we are all up in arms about what people call it as soon as it's born.
I have a friend that's explained to me, you know times are good when we're battling each other over social issues like gender.
Huh? How?
Well most of us are healthy, have homes to live in, there's no war, economies are good, but our tribalistic nature needs to tear down others for something. The better things are the more absurd and hopeless society will seem.
Maybe we do need another world war or something... Kind of like a weird fucked up way of how we get all our pepped up frustrations out and progress forward again with post-nut clarity.
Us licenses are crazy in general.
Why it needs to list your height, weight, eye colour and sex at all make no sense.
Optical identification.
It's literally a tool meant to identify you. It listing obvious physical characteristics to describe you makes common sense. Simply having a picture isn't that descriptive considering it's just a headshot.
Why should a drivers license include more personal information than a passport does?
A passport has waaaay more personal info than a driver's liscense. That's been part of the move to chipped passports, they can now have basically any biometric data.
Personally I don't see an issue with height, weight, eye color, etc. None of that is exactly a secret, a fairly unobtrusive way to narrow down identification. The only thing I think is iffy is address but that's often out of date anyway. I've also only ever heard of that used to mail lost wallets.
Weight's kinda stupid seeing as it can vary so easily
My point is, it's more information than is required.
In the interests of privacy we should be required to provide only the minimum necessary detail.
Height and Weight is actually useful for medical purposes in emergencies. You don't want to be given too much or too little of a blood transfusion.
If its critical to be precise, no doctor is relying on the numbers on th license.
And if its not, then can do what the rest of the world does, or what they do for anyone who doesn't have a license.
If it's critical, you don't have time to take them to a weighing machine and measuring them.
It's also why most licenses have blood type listed.
in the US they will always run a test to confirm blood type before starting an infusion
Which states have blood types on ID? I haven't seen that
I don't remember which states, but some countries do / did. El Salvador and Japan I believe are some. Finland doesn't, but that's because our ID can be scanned to get our medical info if needed, and we have Kela cards anyway as well even if you don't have ID that do the same
100% agree.
I don't give two fucks what gender your brain tells you you are, but medical professionals might want to know what sex you were born as.
And what does that help if they were born male, are trans and now look female or vice versa?
What if we had like a database of medical information available to medical professionals so that they didn't have to guess everything about us based on vague demographic info?
Okay, so tell them if you want them to know.
Not always possible if it's an emergency
Well than I'm sure if they have time to go through your wallet or purse, they have time to open your pants. It's an emergency after all, and one where presumably consent cannot be given (unconscious?)
But really that is such an extreme situation, why would a doctor need to know a persons gender in an emergency? Best to not accommodate such unlikely scenarios and focus on the more likely harm that can be prevented.
Medical dosages and drug interactions would be the main legit reason.
Except most doctors / medical institutions ignore modified dosages women should have anyway in most cases.
Other than that, I suppose knowing if you take hormonal therapies would be useful in very niche and rare cases, like after you've been put in a medically induced coma, but there's so few trans people in the population + that's such a rare emergency procedure that I doubt it even happens once a year. It's also not a problem in most countries because they have more centralized medical records than the USA does.
I don't think some people can handle the idea that I can respect them as a person regardless of any gender and still think it's a good idea that they get the correct medical attention?
They literally can and do look into your wallet. Opening your pants could interfere with other operations or be unsafe or plain unhelpful (such as with a mutilation). Handing a wallet to an assistant is easier than playing a guessing game.
Knowing generally how your hormones/blood indicators should be balanced can help give an accurate diagnosis. Eg: you're in a coma and a reading outside of the M/F band could catch an early organ failure.