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So, I'm sure this is a bad idea. But can anyone tell me exactly why? Years ago, in a desperate situation, a doctor told us to get antibiotics for fish and use them, and we had to do that a few times. Some animal products are identical or nearly identical to human products, some are quite different...
With this in particular, how is it different, and why is it bad?
Because if you take horse electrolytes, you wake up the next day with your shoes nailed to your feet with an overwhelming urge to shit in the road.
... so same old same old you're saying?
So, I'm sure this is a bad idea. But can anyone tell me exactly why?
With this in particular, how is it different, and why is it bad?
This is how to use what our parents called the information superhighway responsibly right here. Well done Sir/Ma'am/other 🫡
I don't know about this product specifically, but in general, animal food products are not regulated as much as food for people. This means it may not be as safe.
Depends on the animal and the jurisdiction. As far as I'm aware, dog and especially cat food is more tightly regulated than human food in the US.
Horse food though? Not so much.
And almost no other countries are victims of regulatory capture to the degree that the US is.
And almost no other countries are victims of regulatory capture to the degree that the US is.
That seems hard to believe, considering stuff like the "banana republic" thing - surely, the country that gets couped for the purpose of economic exploitation by a foreign power is captured more thoroughly than a country that had at least somewhat democratic institutions?
You'd think so, but guess what country the corporations couping with impunity is almost invariably from?
Past the propaganda, the institutions of the US aren't actually that democratic. They've mostly been designed by and for the rich and powerful from the beginning but especially since the rise of Neoliberalism in the late 70s.
Before Trump, US institutions generally liked to at least keep up the pretense, which means that they often did have to make rules that aren't as bullshit as they could have been. In south and middle american dictatorships, they don't have to give a single flying fuck.
Before Trump, US institutions generally liked to at least keep up the pretense
Accurate.
which means that they often did have to make rules that aren't as bullshit as they could have been
Yes, but that doesn't mean that they weren't STILL 80-95% bullshit by volume.
In south and middle american dictatorships, they don't have to give a single flying fuck.
And they also don't have anywhere near the pressure from the most powerful corporations in the world.
Or elections designed to be unduly influenced by the highly organized and systemic corruption of corporations and their lobbies rather than the comparatively haphazard organization of less official corruption.
That makes a much bigger difference than the inherent motivation and fear of public resistance of the leaders themselves.
Specifically around things like cleanliness and packaging. Places that make vet medicine would not pass a health inspection.
Someone did it anyway.
I've seen no less than 3 people drink it on stream... Why is this a thing now?
Honestly, I trust the people making horse electrolytes more than I trust the FDA anyway. You don't want to piss off horse people, and the FDA has always been more of a corporate liability shield than a safety agency.
Of course, you'd still have to pay attention to the ingredients and take a small enough amount so you aren't getting too much of anything, but that would just make it last longer.
Like it states in the fact check article, it can be toxic for humans.
Horses are herbivores, humans omnovores. The stomachs of horses are different to ours. That means there could be certain ingredients which were prepared differently for horses so they are toxic for us, as we lack the ability to digest it the same way as a horse. Like soy for example. The soy used for animal food is toxic for us. The soy used for human consumption is different, of a much higher quality. We can't digest all soy types properly while herbivores can.
Another example: horses can eat everything they eat raw. We humans can't. We need to cook many things otherwise they are toxic (like eggplant) or they are very hard to digest. Horses can eat grass, we really shouldn't because we can't digest it properly.
Conclusion: don't use products made for animals (food and medicine) even though the ingredients might look safe while they can still be toxic due to different quality or preparation. Except dog and cat food in the US. Both of those are also safe for humans, as people during crisis or extreme poor people tend to eat that so both of those are also brought to FDA standards. But yes, as a European I can agree with you those standards are complete shit. Many FDA safe foods in the US are considered toxic here and aren't allowed on our market.
I'm guessing anything that provides electrolytes to horses probably has an absurb amount of potassium in it which is usually only put into human drinks in limited amounts cause it can be lethal. I read a story of some dude who drank 8 coconut waters while playing basketball, passed out, and his blood pressure at the ER was 65 over 40.
That link absolutely does not say it's toxic. It says the FDA doesn't check if it is or isn't toxic for humans. That's not the same thing.
It's electrolytes dissolved in water. They're not adding anything dangerous to that. It would just be a waste of money. Yes, you generally shouldn't eat animal foods unless you know exactly what you are doing, and you definitely shouldn't take animal medications, but holy crap, you can be too paranoid.
Wasn’t there a Chubbyemu about this?
“Presenting to the emergency room….”
Yes, there was. Posted 4 months ago. I'll stick to products intended for humans thank you very much!
Just be careful about the potassium, that's the one thing your body can't easily flush.Alternatively just make snake juice, the ingredients aren't that expensive for all your electrolytes.
Man, tell that to my kidneys. I swear every time I get a blood test at the doctor they send me to the emergency room to get another potassium IV no matter how many of their stupid pills I take. That shit burns going into your veins, too. I don't even have any symptoms. They just all see 2.5 whatevers per whatever of potassium on their stupid number sheet and think I must be dying. I get bad cramps in my legs every night for days after the IV too. I swear doctors just like torturing me.
You are aware you're able to reject treatment up until you drop unconscious and they believe they have to save your life, right? As long as you're awake and not suicidal you can literally just walk away.
Yeah, they say that. Then they say if you refuse they won't treat your other conditions because you're non-compliant. Technically it's true, but functionally they have you trapped if you have any other issues, which I do.
Just be careful about the potassium
Yeah, hyperkalemia can get real fucking serious!
Aye, I just make sure to eat plenty of spinach and bananas before and after a small fast (I do at most 2 days, usually just 1). Apparently baked potatoes are also rich in potassium, I never knew until yesterday.
I prefer Salt Stick now. It's in gelcap form, no taste, fast acting, zero calories. Take as needed.
Good shout! Best price I could here in Denmark is 149 DKK for 100 capsules though ($23.42 USD / €19.96 EUR), and it says the recommendation is 1-3 capsules an hour? That seems like a lot, but maybe that's for elite sport and not a couch potato like myself heh.
wtf is snake juice??
It's some concoction for days where you fast so you get some of the electrolytes that is expelled from your body as waste.
I guess one could think of it as "mineral water" because that's what it contains: just enough stuff for your cells so you don't cramp etc.
