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Say what you will MK Ultra was really funny with enough distance to not see the humanity in the people they got institutionalized.
The bit where the agency just correctly assumed the punch at their Christmas party had lsd in it is just top notch. Why was the CIA secretly dosing people with psychedelics in France? Mostly because nobody would stop them and that's what mad with power looks like, but also it is absurd.
Explanation: The CIA, the main foreign intelligence arm of the USA, has a very... dubious history (and dubious present, for that matter). While their most infamous exploits were done with full knowledge and consent of the highest echelons of the US government (such as Operation Ajax ), there have been times when the CIA's operations have been unknown even to the US government - or in direct contradiction of their orders from the US government. Illegal by international law? Almost always. Illegal by domestic law too? Why not?
The CIA continues their bullshit today because they've never been properly punished or reformed, even after Senate hearings in the 1970s established that they were playing fuckwad games that even insane Cold War era politicians were not down with.
And sadly when they were "punished" (had funding withheld) they would just drum up their own cash by trafficking guns and drugs. Nowadays they just don't even bother trying to pass audits.
They are the main suspect in the assassination of their own leader - the JFK assassination.
They even had Dulles, the founder of the CIA, lead the investigation into the same assassination that their organization was complicit.
It would be like having a mob boss of a city lead the investigation into the murder of the mayor that was perpetrated by the mob boss's own people.
The funny part is that the conspiracy is so old and so often repeated now that no one cares or have become so conditioned to the idea that the CIA does terrible things and that's acceptable.
Main suspect insomuch as they tried to get Castro 3-5 times but it was kennedys who died instead.
Yes. But don’t understate the shit the Soviets were doing.
No need to. The crimes of the Soviets don't justify the crimes of the CIA, or make them any better.
That's some serious knee-jerk whataboutism. You should see a doctor about that.
Yes indeed, everything that strays from the dogma at hand is whataboutism. Historical perspective, nuanced details, everything. To say the CIA is bad implicitly implies everyone else was good.
So you're saying you support DINA, the secret military police of Pinochet? Wow. Unbelievable.
How’d you guess? You so smart!
Thanks, I am.
Fucking what
Literal "I like cake "why do you hate pop tarts" moment.
Yes, literally. Except that cake and pop tarts are made of the same ingredients.
To say the CIA is bad implicitly implies everyone else was good.
Shoo, troll, shoo! Out from under my bridge!
The river is flowing too fast for them to come up with any good riddles, just frantic screeching while trying to swim against the current
Thanks for the name calling. I am educated now.
Can you not have more than one thought in your head at any given time? Why would stating that CIA is bad imply that everyone else was good?
When only one drum is allowed to be beaten it makes it seem like only one drum is allowed to be heard.
Nobody is forbidding talk about the atrocities of the KGB, though. Have you considered you're just perhaps a little jaded by .ml and just need to chill?
I assure you, based on the responses to my initial comment (and the copious down arrows) that NO we can not talk about the KGB. It’s the CIA alone in the world f’ing up nations. That is the narrative. Do not look at a bigger picture.
Nope. The down arrows to your comment are due the sheer insanity of it. You're saying that every criticism of the CIA has to include a disclaimer saying the KGB is also bad or you're supporting it. You're completely and utterly out of your mind.
Nope. Didn’t say that at all. What I said was the CIA criticism -and it’s justified criticism- never carries with it any criticism of the Soviets, who were doing very similar shit. And for some reason that just pisses people off.
No, you did pretty explicitly say that.
Quote me
I constantly talk about Soviet crimes on here though, including on this very comm.
I’ve been hearing about CIA atrocities for decades. They’re real, they’re ongoing, they’re something people should know about. But most folks who dwell on the CIA never ever look into the other side of the Cold War, the KGB, the Soviet Union, and all the equally heinous shit they did. It’s like they didn’t exist and the CIA did its deeds out of perverse fun & psychosis. It was decades of covert “war” between two competing superpowers. Acknowledge that there were two sides and they both engaged in covert war activities.
Nothing in this is giving other shadow governments a break here.
I think it's great to point out the crimes of the CIA because they are popularised so much in western media, go on Netflix and look at action movies and TV shows, you'll be able to find a good number which feature the CIA and them being the "saviours"
Being the saviours, often by running amok all over the place (and blowing half of it up). Which has now been normalised, when the police doing the same (in movies, still) in their city at least get a vague reprimand.
"But... but.. but..."
Just take the L, dawg. There are pleny of other days in the week to be rightfully critical of other countries.
