Thought cowbee was at least somewhat rational. Seems he's just like the rest of his comrades
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I genuinely have no clue how you could have come to that conclusion.
He rarely throws insults and is always ready to cite sources (albeit biased ones). He seems to want to argue in good faith.
The problem is he's wrong about many things, but thinks he's correct all the time and is quite smug about it as well. Now add in this and he's no different from his friends.
Cowbee's public facing account has incredible sea-lioning technique. Constantly asking for evidence and backpedaling to his own sources (far beyond merely biased) and picking apart some minor phrasing to avoid facing a solid argument. You can link official CCP/USSR/RT/etc sources refuting his claims and he'll keep trundling along, unperturbed.
If you ever get a tankie to back into "well you just don't understand [dialectics/theory]" you can take that as waving a white flag. There's no such thing as an honest exchange of ideas with any of them.
you should ask them, have the ever lifted russia and china. or tell them to live there if they love it so much.
He throws insults regularly in the matrix channels and on hexbear. He uses his lemmy.ml account as optics
I guess that makes sense. It's all a grift
"Nothing I love more than giving the far-right Israeli government the excuse it desperately wanted to genocide Gaza! Critical support for the PEOPLE'S Zionist-Funded Catspaw of Hamas!"
Putting aside the extremely dubious military value of the raid (which, as has been pointed out, largely resulted in the massacre and kidnapping of civilians rather than the pursuit of serious military objectives, including UN-verified sexual assault that is denied by multiple admins on the Fediverse ), celebrating what can be seen even under the most charitable terms as an overwhelming strategic failure is... strange.
It's like Confederates celebrating Pickett's Charge.
Tankies celebrating Oct 7 civilian massacre... But also claiming Oct 7 was 100% an Israeli false flag... Tankies support Israel imperialism confirmed?
As the Hungarian saying says about the far right:
They deny the Holocaust, because "it did not finish its job".
Charming people. /s
I can tell you from experience that Cowbee is by far the most abusive person to argue with online I have ever encountered. And I love arguing online so I've met a lot. I blocked them a long time ago and seeing them in a screenshot still makes me shudder. Terrible humans
i used to, on reddit, but i realize it only gets you reported and banned down the line, by a vindictive user.
Cowbee is frustrating, but he's easy to counter once you realise his spiel.
Extremeists rely heavily on gish-gallop, bombarding you with nonsense. You need to focus on the weakest claim, point out the bias or flaw in the source, and play for neutrality and impartiality; they'll crumble every single time.
For example, when presented with an obviously biased source like Prolewiki or Redsails, or whatever copy-paste nonsense they have, ask for something more neutral and professional in tone, such as Reuters, AP News, or a neutral article.
You are biased, your source is biased, I am intimidated by BBC, here is a far more reliable source from suckingstrongmansdick.slop that shows the T-14 Armata will solve world hunger.
Or something along those lines. I try from time to time. But am very quick to give up. So I do my part by making fun of them and donate to a good cause, which somehow makes them sooooooo angry. I wonder why.
One time I was asked to provide a non-Western source on ethnic cleansing in Xianjiang, (because apparently everything I was saying was straight from the US state deparment) I provided an Al-Jazeera article which apparently wasn't good enough because it only referenced a UN report. In this same thread I was linked a video about Chinese democracy that came straight from CCP-controlled media lol
tankies and conservatives must be sharing notes, on where they can frame thier argument, and sources. i know they dont like each other, but they post the same way, argue the same way.
I had something similar, but somehow worse. It was in the very early days of the API migration and the Tiananmen Square massacre came up somewhere on lemmy. Someone from grad did what they do best and postet an unintelligible word salad followed by a link which "explains it all" how much we are feed western lies. I clicked it and oh boy.
The website looked like babys first HTML project. Everything was pink. Not the calming, 70s pink. It was a fuck your eyeballs pink. And there was this seemingly endless list of hyperlinks. Some english, some chinese. I picked a link that looked the least like it would give me or my pc AIDS and I ended up with a youtube video of a chinese guy in a dimly lit room talking, into what I think was a 1990s webcam, about how he was there in Beijing in 1989 and how he came across this sketchy western dude who told him he was an CIA agent and he was planing a bloodbath for the protests. He apparently told this to everyone who was willing to listen and then vanished into the shadowrealm or something.
I ended my excursion into vatnik wonderland disturbed. Knowing that I live on a planet on which there are millions of people who look at this and go: "I KNEW IT!"
That is their response, yeah, fortunately you can point out that liberal or western sources are transparent in their reporting and then ask why eastern sources like from China or Russia, are not transparent
(Western) media could be a lot more transparent by linking to the sources. It rarely happens. Often it looks like they do but then you click on the links and it just takes you to another one of their news stories.
They are afraid you will leave their site.
that is true, it really depends on the media
Well maybe you're better than me but I had a terrible time. I like to have some baseline respect when arguing, and I was basically told I'm the worst person imaginable because I didn't fully answer every single paragraph in both their essay-length comments they left on each of my comments.
They love people dying! :)
If only they did so universally rather than selectively, I could at least have respected their egalitarian misanthropy.
I don't understand the carpark reference.
I believe it's the collection of all the cars they damaged during the massacres.
Also love that antisemitism emote they have there.
Nice holocaust emote Hexbear, you're really showing them nazis!
The triangle comes from the Palestinian flag, not from the Holocaust. It predates the Holocaust.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_triangle_(Palestinian_symbol)
The flag has the triangle pointing right, the Nazis and Hamas have it pointing down. What a disingenuous Wikipedia entry.
Did you know Gaza doesn't teach the holocaust? That seems like a big red flag to me, pun intended.
And their children's media even teaching kids about "wiping out the jews"
Or it's just referring to the flag, sure. If so, why are they pinging Gaza's enemies with Gaza's own ethnic identity (the red triangle meaning arab)? That seems really odd to me.