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[–] Mac@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm fine with no porn. It gets so tiring seeing porn and pseudo-porn everywhere.

Porn should stay in dedicated instances so it can be blocked. NSFW tagging is unreliable at best.

[–] MrsEaves@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. Power to anyone who wants surprise porn intermixed with their memes and tech news, but I’d like the choice to keep that separate without blocking all NSFW content.

[–] Dalinar@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 years ago

I don't need that while I'm on the train

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 years ago

Because we dont want to moderate porn, simple as that. Other instances are free to do this differently.

[–] itchy_lizard@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I don't use reddit for p0rn, but the fact is that a lot of reddit users won't consider lemmy an option unless there's porn.

Actually, I think it's important to have one also because it's better to compartmentalize that shit on its own dedicated instance, anyway.

PSA: WE NEED A PORN INSTANCE. Any takers?

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you really want more reddit porn users?

[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The porn would be on it's own instance not federated with the common Lemmy servers. So it wouldn't show up in /all.

Those who want porn would have to actively seek it out by connecting to those instances. More over, if one instance starts allowing unacceptable material, the other instances can blacklist it.

edit: I was wrong. Lemmynsfw is indeed federated.

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[–] zkikiz@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So far Reddit seems to have avoided getting into a lot of trouble by not really hosting images itself much (this is changing, as is imgur's policies) and by being mostly NOT for it so it doesn't get noticed. Making an instance for the purpose invites a ton of scrutiny and liability that few people want to deal with. That said nothing's stopping anyone from spinning up their own instance.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

If I had the means, I'd honestly try to run an instance on Tor or something.

And then probably shut it down after a week because how do you deal with all the spam?

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Seems completely unnecessary since there are many porn sites online already. Also it would take quite a lot of server resources since it's all images and video.

And do we want reddit users who want porn here?

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The question isn't "do we want Reddit users who want porn here?", but rather "do we want Reddit users who see no value in a space unless it's full of porn?".

There should absolute be spaces for sex workers, both online and in meatspace, but maybe the produce aisle still has value even if it's not surrounded by strippers. And maybe. People want to buy produce sometimes without seeing said strippers.

Now, whether there should be instances that are all sex workers or not is a different, and complicated, question. Sex work is often criminalized, and even the legal forms of it are highly scrutinized. Putting them all in a confined space makes it really easy for authorities who are looking to send a message to unilaterally shut down their infrastructure. We've seen it on the Fediverse before. They need some kind of smoke screen in order to be protected from the Delores Umbridges of the world. But that doesn't mean people who are unable or unwilling to handle the added stress and responsibility needtl to be the ones doing the screening.

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[–] naoseiquemsou@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Why write it as p0rn, if there's no censorship in here?

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

When you say "this site", do you mean lemmy in general, or lemmy.ml(your home instance)? Because lemmy in general DOES allow nsfw content, its just that no one (to my current knowledge) had been willing to start+moderate a NSFW instance yet. If you think you are up to it, you are more than welcome to spin up your own instance. Just remember you still have to follow all the laws regarding server hosting where you live(or where the server is hosted maybe? Idk I'm not a lawyer).

[–] Marv@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks for the response. Still learning how lemmy works. I just followed a link I was sent thinking it was lemmy in general and not just this instance.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

all good dude, it's easy to get that confused. lemmy.ml is actually just one of a number of websites that make up lemmy and the fediverse at large. while you interact as a user almost exclusively through your home instance, much of the content you can access is actually hosted on a different website, even though you still access it through your home instance, think if it like email in that sense. even if you don't have a gmail.com email address you can stil send and receive emails to people who do. that's why my full handle is @this@sh.itjust.works, yours is @Marv@lemmy.ml, and we are communicating with each other on a public form via the individual websites our accounts are hosted on. If you have ever used or plan to use mastodon, that works the same way and actually uses the same protocol (activitypub), there are also other currently less popular social media alternatives that use this protocol as well as speculation that it may be added into some mainstream social media platforms(though I wouldn't hold my breath on them federating with lemmy/mastodon). If you ever join a smaller instance (which I and the devs recommend to help the network scale better), you can use this link to find communities on other instances(they won't show up on your home instance if no one is subscribed to them or they are blocked by your instance): https://browse.feddit.de/

[–] PriorProject@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When we say "this site", we're obviously talking about your profile page. Why does your profile page not allow porn?

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm just going to take your response literally, because I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. when you join a lemmy instance, in OPs case, lemmy.ml, or in your case, lemmy.world. your profile is hosted on said instance, and therefore anything you put on your profile is subject to the rules of whoever owns/moderates that instance. if you don't like it, move to another instance, or start your own, that's the benefit of a federated system!

[–] PriorProject@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My comment was a pun on your username in relation to the lack of clarity in OP's question. You being this@sh.itjust.works... quite plausibly "this page" would refer to your personal profile page. It would of course be ridiculous for anyone to expect to post porn on your profile page, but I committed to the silliness. Sorry it didn't come through.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LMAO, that's a thinker! True I am viewing this thread on sh.itjust.works so from my perspective that would be the website, lol.

[–] nickajeglin@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Kickass name/instance combo btw.

[–] matthieu_xyz@piaille.fr 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@Marv IMO we need some NSFW instances. It wouldn’t be a problem with the rest of lemmy/kbin because it’s easy to filter out communities/magazine or entire instances.

There is a legitimate demand for NSFW content. And NSFW content can be a decisive factor in the success of a platform. (See Tumblr vs Twitter, photographs on instagram, etc.) Sex workers are also a vulnerable group and one of the goals of the fediverse is to provide a place for marginalized groups.

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[–] matthieu_xyz@piaille.fr 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

@Marv
BUT, it needs moderation and moderating NSFW is hard, exhausting and time-consuming. Not everyone wants to do that. Also when I say NSFW content, it doesn’t have to be porn bot posting content they don’t own. It could be OC only, a photograph community that allows nude models, etc. Unlike porn dumps communities, those are important places to have.

Edit: Also research the history of switter, it’s very interesting. And one of the big failures of the fediverse. We should learn from it.

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[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago
[–] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A great question, porn/sexuality is a great deal for many users (me, included) and Reddit tried to make them go away or at least hide them; I have no idea why is it not allowed in so many Lemmy instances (if not all of them) but I hope that changes in the not so far future, otherwise we're going to be missing one of the biggest reasons people use Reddit and might not move to a Lemmy instance.

[–] Barbarian@lemmy.reckless.dev 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not allowed in a lot of instances because the moderation is absolutely exhausting and sometimes NSFL material.

The only limiting factor here is admins + moderators of an instance willing to put themselves through that.

[–] itchy_lizard@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I have no idea what kind of person wants to do that sort of thing, but they do exist.

Perhaps we should send PMs to all the porn subreddit mods and ask them if they'd be interested in moderating a porn reddit on lemmy?

I'd be curious to know which porn subreddits are scheduled to go dark on the 12th. Are there any reddit porn connoisseurs here that can do that research and let us know which subreddits mods might be upset at reddit and interested in migrating here?

So we need two lists:

  1. List of porn subreddits with upset mods
  2. List of lemmy instances that would be down to host some porn communities
[–] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you go to r/ListOfSubreddits there's a pinned thread with a REALLY LONG list of NSFW subs, going asking or checking all of them is something that would require time... like, a LOT of time.
For the instances that would be down... I'd really doubt there is one right now, at least the ones I checked just seemed to subscribe to the no NSFW rule.

[–] itchy_lizard@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
[–] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well now I'm confused, that list says some instances allow NSFW but when you check their instance rules it says they don't

[–] PorkrollPosadist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

There's a difference between "not safe for work" (posts which may involve nudity, drug use, or violence, among other subjects) and outright pornography.

[–] nickajeglin@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Somebody on reddit had a massively huge list of every sub that's going dark, both sfw and nsfw. I can't find it right now though :/

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[–] Sphere@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Because that would end up making a good portion of potential users feel uncomfortable using the site. There is no lack of pornography on the Internet, go look at it elsewhere.

[–] depreciated_cost@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Go to horny jail

[–] ElectronSoup@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

The constant thirst is one of the handful of cardinal sins of reddit, porn subreddits encourage it.

[–] joshLaserbeam@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

because this is lemmy.ml , if you want porn go to one of the nsfw friendly instances like lemmy.burger.rodeo (but I think you need to be logged in for nsfw communities to show up)

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cooking up a platform for Free Thought And Expression! (NSFW &Loli/Shota/Cub friendly!) Minimal Restrictions on Content/Speech.

Hard pass on that dawg.

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[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Hard to moderate. Brings influencers and bots. Doesn’t contribute anything that can’t be easily found elsewhere.

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[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

LOL... good try, but here's the markup:

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And it should show up like this:

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[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

thanks, I tried like 3 ways

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I saw. That's why I figured I'd help you out there. ;-)

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