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The thread is going very well, someone decided reading was hard and that asking claude was easier
Highlights:
So I asked ChatGPT 5 Thinking, Claude Sonnet 4.5 with Extra Thinking, and Claude Opus 4.1 with Extra Thinking whether the article linked to multiple times provides any hard evidence of DHH being anything implied by the name-calling or by the outright name-calling seen in this thread.
Turns out the machines say there is no such evidence. It’s just an opinion piece.
Shoulda used Grok
I had a pre-order of the next gen framework 16, but have since cancelled... Came back to see if there had been any updates since the first day for forum discussion, disappointing that they are doubling down.
This reply is worth quoting at length:
With all due respect, I think you profoundly misunderstand the nature of my concern here.
This is not a “I do not like this distribution” kind of argument.
This is a “the people you are sending my money to want me and my friends dead or deported” kind of argument.
The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.
I have no problem with Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Linux Foundation, LVFS, Debian, KDE… What I have a problem is with Framework consistently, repeatedly encouraging and now sponsoring individuals that have shown to be absolutely destructive to the open source community.
Claiming that this “increasing the adoption of open source software” really misses the core part of the narrative here, which is that those people have been excluded from open source communities because they were so hateful, so destructive, that their mere presence was more harmful than beneficial.
DHH is a threat to the free software community as a whole at this point. The damage he ended up doing to the Ruby community might end up outweighing entirely his contributions to Rails, which is no small feat.
Vaxry (from hyprland) was banned from freedesktop.org, wrecking havoc in standardizing Wayland protocols that the whole community could have benefited from.
If you believe helping and sponsoring those people helps the open source community, we have quite divergent views on the best way forward and, perhaps, it is best if you concentrate on making hardware and leave the open source community alone.
In any case, thanks for your quick response, @nrp, and thanks for building those awesome products.
“[I]ncreasing the adoption of open source software” is such a bullshit argument here anyway, holy shit lol.
They’re not sponsoring Asahi Linux or FOSS Nvidia drivers but DHH’s fucking Arch setup and Ratpoison but worse and with rounded corners.
“[I]ncreasing the adoption of open source software” is such a bullshit argument here anyway, holy shit lol.
Not to mention, actively welcoming Nazis into the open source bar is gonna achieve the exact goddamn opposite of increasing adoption, by driving away marginalised users, introducing unnecessary security risks, actively rotting communities from the inside, and God-only-knows-what-else.
"We did not realize the ethics of the individuals that were behind these organizations; we're sorry we should have investigated organizations better prior to donating to them. We will better research organizations in the future and we have stopped funding for these two groups".
That. Is that so fucking difficult for them to say?
I've been checking the thread over the last couple days expecting something like that from them, but nope. Nothing yet.
I don't think it's an "oopsie". Their main channels are still on Twitter, and the CEO is now farming compassion from the Twitter fash.
At this point, I'm gonna stop extending benefit of the doubt - Framework's choice to actively advance fascist interests, and double down when called out, is proof enough for me that they're fascists themselves.
Big tent ?? At this point even neutral are better. Oh wait, Lunduke is so..... gonna react to this
Quick update: Nirav is posting through it on Twitter
I'm getting a lot of questions already answered by my "before anyone asks I'm pro LGBTQ and pro immigrant" shirt.
@sailor_sega_saturn @BlueMonday1984 brb just putting myself through the gauntlet of arbitrary purity tests
The absolute shitshow that's been some of the most visible open source projects recently just reinforces my thoughts that one cannot establish trust (and therefore support) with any project leads unless they show their political affiliations upfront. The same way we demand to see a Foss license, we should expect to see what kind of person someone is before we use our community support to elevate them in any position of technical authority.
Yes this completely sucks. I assume most open source projects are run by leftists of some kind and hate finding out I'm wrong.
I have a framework 13 that I planned to use for years to come.
Really wish they would have at least corrected this shit when it was pointed out to them.
Guess I'm just going to run this thing until it breaks but they won't be getting any more of my money.
Shoutout to gleam.run whose web page has always (AFAIK) said
Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t.
They're very based.
And if you click on the star (desktop only), the background becomes a pride flag :D
I'd love to use gleam but I don't think it's production-ready yet, so I'll stick with elixir.
So they need my money to make their tent bigger, and inside that tent they let racists and toxic fuckers in?
Very fortunate that I have not given them a cent.
I was so close to ordering a framework 16 the other day, but got a strange feeling in my gut and backed off just before paying. maybe I'll just settle for a used lenovo. it was food poisoning btw.
Is this the same Framework that develops very promising modular and repairable laptops, one of three companies to do so? If so.. Fuck.
Man fuck that. I dont expect a tech company to be great. But I have a 13” and was excited to see these keep getting better. But that response is just bullshit. There are legitimate business reasons aside from all of the many moral ones not to support bullshit reprehensible creators and by doing so publicly connect your company to them. If they can’t even see the dollar signs there… well… fuck em.
Maybe I’ll start quoting the Hyprland fucks in the framework forums and see if that language flies or gets taken down.
Oh for fuck's sake
MNT are still good, right? IIRC, all firmware is open-source with no binary blobs, and they’re a small group of queers in Berlin. (Please tell me they’re not antideutsche tankies or something.)
looks good!
i would LOVE them to get an actual designer though. If ever a laptop looked like open source ...