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In case you haven't heard the news, Framework went and publicly sponsored Hyprland (the most toxic part of Wayland by a country mile) and openly shilled Omarchy multiple times (the pet project of fascist shithead David Heinemeier Hansson) recently.

In response to well-justified backlash against this, founder Nirav Patel responded with FOSSbro platitudes about "[creating] a big tent" for open source".

If you've got any more updates on this self-inflicted shitshow, put them here so they can be collected in one place.

(In retrospect, that AI-pilled Framework Desktop should've been a major red flag they were gonna pull this shit.)

EDIT: Found a solid summary of the situation in the wild - recommend checking it out.

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[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

(In retrospect, that AI-pilled Framework Desktop should've been a major red flag they were gonna pull this shit.)

I am still not completely sure why this product should exist in their lineup. Their laptops have always focused on being more repairable/upgradeable than most competing laptops, but the Framework Desktop is actually less repairable/upgradeable than a standard desktop that you can build yourself however you please. Though if you instead compare it to a mini PC form factor like an Intel NUC, it is actually a very attractive alternative. Either way, at the end of the day, no one asked for this device. People enjoy Framework for the things that they are doing to make the laptop industry more consumer-friendly. But apparently the reason that the Framework Desktop was developed is just because the CEO saw AMD's new CPU platform and thought "I want to put that into a Framework product." And after they tried working with AMD to get standard memory modules to work with it, instead of saying, "Oh, there's no way to make it repairable/upgradeable? Never mind, we just won't make a Framework product out of it," they went ahead and did it anyway.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Maybe they're competing with the old Mac desktops, the cheesegraters before they were made completely proprietary. Now, I've always dissed Apple consumers for buying a phone that's 50% more expensive and 20% less powerful or feature-filled than the competition, but once I learned the going price of Mac desktops are 300% more expensive than the most capable custom, my mind was blown.

And yet Apple's success and following is proof that Framework's desktop might follow suit.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (9 children)

What's it with fascists and unintuitive, keyboard-based user interaction? Is this a weird "gatekeeping" thing? Because I remember that in the late 2000's, a lot of Linux forums had "let me google it for you" and pirated copies of Windows XP linked instead of getting an answer to your problem.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What's unintuitive about creating text files config.yaml and input.toml in $DESKTOP_STANDARD_INCONSISTENTLY_FOLLOWED which hopefully resolves to /home/username/.config/ but probably resolves to /usr/bin/go_fuck_yourself_with_1s_and_0s and then editing the text files according to confusingly documented syntax?

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It’s 4chan /g/ culture at large

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

I love googling something, and the top results are from reddit or other forums, and most of the comments are telling the OP to google it.

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I feel like like I've seen the phrase "hyprland is the most toxic part of Wayland" more than once now and I'm not sure why it's being phrased that way. Hyprland is not part of wayland, right?

[–] self@awful.systems 21 points 3 days ago

you’ve seen it from me as “the most toxic part of the Wayland ecosystem, and that’s saying something”

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, I guess I'm at "we'll see where this goes" stage, unfortunately, being the owner of a framework laptop that I absolutely love and have no intentions to get rid of and even if I wanted to I'm way too poor for that shit (buy nice not twice I understand F.Ws are expensive up front, still poor) that I bought as an upgradable laptop I can get (with my use case, longevity) prob like 15-20yr (no shit I can likely make it work as long as F.W exists, it replaced a 2014 toshiba and I got the 16 at launch [batch 15]), out of with upgrades to RAM/SSD, meaning I will continue to need some parts like bezels and expansion ports for a long time to come.

If there were like, any other companies making upgradable and modular laptops, and I had bought them instead, great, but that isn't reality and so I'm kinda locked in here.

If a 3rd party started making shit (legally or not idgaf) like that and I can cut out the manufacturer, great. Also not current reality (beyond some actually pretty sweet .stl files.).

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago
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