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I’ve seen really good “no” positions and I think they have some great reasoning even though they’re against the MAGA gang. Thank you to those who are thinking logically and of others. My vote is more emotional due to I just can’t weigh out the options anymore and I’m just done with it all. To others point, I have just blocked them and did reasoning before that… it shouldn’t be this hard to be decent to one another. I hope they find happiness without hate.
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just becasue we silence them doesn't mean they dont exist
i dont believe in silencing anyone unless they are actively hurting someone else. And I didnt join lemmy to have my content censored. we are all (presumably) adults.
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No. I believe that the ability to hear disenting voices is important to either challenge or strengthen your own opinions.
Hate is not a dissenting voice. Wishing people dead is not a dissenting voice. Spreading lies is not expressing a different point of view.
I believe there are many different opinions here already, and through the rest of Lemmy.
We don't need to debate nazis. We had enough experience with them already.
Hate and wishing death are in fact dissenting opinions. You may not like it, but it's true. Lies in an echo chamber will never be debunked and will only get stronger, but lies in the open will easily be debunked and disproven.
I'm sure there's plenty of people that you hate because it's a human emotion. I'm sure there may be people that you wish would no longer exist. I know one in particular that a lot of people would agree should just go away.
Fair point, let me adjust a bit: there's a difference between hating someone for what he says or does, and hating someone for what they are.
As for lies in the open, I disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law The amount of energy it takes to debunk a lie is an order of magnitude bigger than it takes to post it..
You could easily just lean on the hitchens razor. What is posted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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No. Ill be the counter argument. Dont know anything about them, but I like our instance for being relatively neutral. As long as the other instance isnt doing anything illegal, i’d prefer neutrality.
Except you can't be neutral with people spreading hate. You can't stay neutral when a side say "I just want to exist" and the other's answer is "We should kill you all!".
I think we all know the poem "First they came for...".
Let me add that quote:
"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." Albert Einstein
You can't be neutral here.
You seem to think defederation is taking a stand against something that is wrong, but defederation is really closing your eyes and ears pretending what you don't like is not out there at all. I fail to see how this is better than doing nothing.
Besides I bet they are going to love that other instances defederate from them, they will just say it proves their point how they are the good guys and everybody just wants to censor them and hates them for who they are. I fail to understand why you would give them that
It's not just taking a stand. I may not be clear enough. There are 2 benefits in my eyes in defederating:
- Prevent fake news flood that you will never be able to counter (Brandolini's law).
- Keep this a safe space for minorities (I'm sure we have some on this instance). They don't have to read random crap about how they should not exist or other offensive comments, and they should be able to post about who they are without fear of getting targeted.
Time has proven again and again that tolerating the intolerants turns the place into an intolerant one.
As for how they'll take it: I don't have the slightest beginning of hope that exchanging with them here would have any impact on their world's vision. You don't convince cultists with rational discussions on Internet. So let them think they "proved their point". I don't care.
Edit: And of course, being MAGA is not who you are, but what you decide to be through your actions, for example registering to an openly fascist instance.
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