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For discussion about the lemmy.ml instance, go to !meta@lemmy.ml.

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The instance list has a couple of recommended sites at the top. They are defined in this file and seperated by language. For most languages there is only one recommendation or none at all, so you can simply add yours by making a pull request.

In case of English, the situation is a bit different. The current recommended instances (beehaw.org and sopuli.xyz) are already quite large and would be shown near the top of the list anyway. So it makes sense to recommend smaller instances instead.

To be recommended, an instance should meet these requirements:

  • It should be a general purpose instance
  • At least one member of the admin team needs to be in the Instance admin chat to coordinate with other admins
  • The admin team needs to be prepared for a large influx of users, both in terms of hardware and moderation

We can use this thread to discuss which instances should be recommended. There is no maximum number of recommendations, but it should be an even number to work with the desktop layout.

On a side note, the instance list itself could use many improvements such as showing more details about instances or using different sorting methods. If you are a programmer or web designer, you can contribute to improve the website.

Edit: If you are a Lemmy admin and want your instance to be recommended, go ahead and open a pull request for this file. Developers can also contribute in the same repo to improve join-lemmy.org.

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[–] eclipsical@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm not sure I can add much value to the recommendations themselves, but I do believe the page needs to explain in relatively simply terms that that joining a particular instance isn't necessarily hindering access to any content, otherwise people will generally choose the most populous.

[–] original_ish_name@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the page should also not show the users/month per instance

[–] sup@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

I agree. I know I initially joined lemmy.ml (before moving to a smaller instance) because of both these reasons. I felt I would miss out on content and that I should join the biggest community.

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[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll be submitting my instance to be considered to the recommended list. I've thrown a nice amount of resources at my lemmy instance and i'm pretty excited to see how it will handle the extra load that is expected!

[–] mobiuscoffee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

the dude abides

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Perfect, can you make a pull request?

[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Will have this done before the end of the day! I will be adding support for the French language as well to accommodate french speaking individuals as well!

[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Got this completed! Looks like the merge request was accepted and merged into the main already. Thanks for giving the heads up.

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think my server lemmy.world would qualify :-)

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Great, can you make a pull request?

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ohh, never done that before. Should I create a fork, edit the file, and then submit as PR?

[–] clumsy_cat@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ruud@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ruud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

OK I submitted the PR.

[–] Aequitas@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I can't access your instance from my instance (feddit.de), although my instance is linked to yours. Does anyone have an idea what this could be?

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[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The admin team needs to be prepared for a large influx of users, both in terms of hardware and moderation

Reddit has almost half a billion users, so until there is horizontal scaling I would argue no instance is ready.

One criterion i would add is economic viability, Lets look at beehaw, it has about 1000 monthly active users and according to opencollective got about 1000$ this month (for some reason the opencollective page of lemmy can't show this stat), that puts him at the ARPU (active revenue per user) of about 1$ a user which is similar to reddit that has ARPU of about $1.02 (and was much lower in 2021, about 0.5$).

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is horizontal scaling through federation. Even if lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and lemmy.one go down, users can still join instances like sh.itjust.works. The instance list on join-lemmy.org works as a load balancer.

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[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

If your goal were wider adoption, having a big "sign up" button (with the server name on/next to it) that links to a random "recommended" general instance could be best. Put a "sign up on a different instance" button next to it, and a list of instances below that.

Of course - that's IF it's your goal.

I think Mastodon does this, but just a static link to mastodon.social instead of randomly rotating it.

Edit: that's what they do on the app - but not joinmastodon.org

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Instances have different topics and moderation, so it should be left to each person which one they prefer to join.

[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And it would be - no choice is being removed. It's more of a "I'm not sure what all this is... I just want to join lemmy" button. But I know that perhaps that's not completely in line with the core/original culture of the Fediverse. But a lot of people have incorrect assumptions on what federation is, if indeed they know anything about it at all. This leads to decision paralysis and confusion. People overthink which instance to join, at least among the open "general" instances.

And it would need to be explicitly opt-in for each server.... I don't think BeeHaw would be open to this for example.

[–] mobiuscoffee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

I agree with your way of thinking. I believe a lot of people would be open to recreating an account on an instance that vibes with them more once they understand how it all works too.

I did that about 3 or 4 times already and only a couple of them were by accident!

[–] ch1cken@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

If your goal were wider adoption, having a big "sign up" button (with the server name on/next to it) that links to a random "recommended" general instance could be best. Put a "sign up on a different instance" button next to it, and a list of instances below that.

I think this is an excellent idea

[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was trying to edit my comment and accidentally deleted it! D'oh!

If your goal were wider adoption, having a big "sign up" button that links to a random "recommended" general instance could be best (with the url/name clearly on the button). Put a "sign up on a different instance" button next to it, and a list of instances below that.

Of course - that's IF it's your goal.

I think Mastodon does this, but just a static link to mastodon.social instead of randomly rotating it.

Edit: that's what they do on the app - but not joinmastodon.org

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FYI you can restore deleted comments by clicking the delete icon again.

[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 1 points 2 years ago

Oh hey thanks

[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 2 points 2 years ago

This was @nutomic@lemmy.ml's original reply

https://lemmy.ml/comment/473341

[–] jdp23@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those are solid requirements to be listed on joinlemmy.org and I would also add another one about moderation policies prohibiting racism, sexism, anti-LGBTQ+ bigotry, Islamophobia, etc. Otherwise, if a user joins an instance that the "official" page recommends and discovers it's racists / sexist / etc, they'll see it as a problem with #lemmy as a whole, as opposed to just one bad instance.

And as we've seen on Mastodon, if a Black user goes to a site where racism is tolerated and quickly encounters racist sh*t, they leave and tell their friends; ditto for trans, queer, Muslim, etc. users having bad initial experiences. Once that happens a bunch of times the reputation becomes hard to shake. Much better to steer people to sites where they're less likely to have a bad experience!

[–] V4uban@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

Our server on slrpnk.net can very likely take some more users, but I am pretty new to hosting Lemmy and it's currently only me that has some time to managing the server and approve applications.

So maybe better not to add it directly to the recommended instances list.

[–] veroxii@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Controversial idea: I think we should remove the "users per month" number on the instance list. It's confusing to newbies and encourages people to join a "large" instance when the number doesn't really correlate with actual server capacity.

Edit: And don't display the ones with 1 or fewer users. They are obviously private single user ones. If someone wants to start a public one, they'll be able to come get 2 or 3 others to join up and they'll pop onto the list.

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[–] lodion@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ideally the recommended instances section wouldn't be static. It would put a different instance in prime position for each user that visits... a poor mans load balancing I guess.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The order of recommended instances is randomized, there is a different one at the top each time you reload.

[–] lodion@aussie.zone 4 points 2 years ago

That works.. hadn't realised it was randomized with only two recommended.

[–] original_ish_name@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

smaller general purpose instances such as sh.itjust.works

[–] tomek@mastodon.online 1 points 2 years ago

@nutomic certainly szmer.info, one of the largest instances for many years, and the only one in Polish

[–] lodion@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

I've stood up aussie.zone primarily for Australians, but open to anyone. Same as poVoq, its just me at this stage.. but I've disabled community creation.

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