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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 124 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Firefox: Found a way to translate webpages locally on the device, so you don't need to send any data

Edge: Made it so you can't CTRL-F without sending data to Microsoft

How does this work for sensitive information like banking sites? I know some healthcare software runs in the browser, surely this is a violation of those rules too.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

surely this is a violation of those rules too.

Cost of business. The occasional two digit million fine opposing billions of revenue.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I think telemetry is disabled / very limited for enterprises.

If you sign in to your bank account through edge in your personal device then you agreed to whatever they say when you installed their os.

[–] leds@feddit.dk 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Microsoft Edge submits the following data to Microsoft cloud services using a HTTPS connection:

The text of the webpage.

Interesting , this has implications for pages that are not on public internet. Viewing confidential/secret company documents in edge?

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You left out the important bit before that:

When users enable "include related matches in Find on page", Microsoft Edge submits the following data to Microsoft cloud services using a HTTPS connection:

Seems like nothing gets sent if you do a normal exact search.

[–] leds@feddit.dk 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah but isn't that what the whole article is about? And is it enabled by default or opt in?

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Future edge patch note:

  • Fixed bug where sometimes edge would send pages to MS cloud despite local search only being enabled

Haha j/k, there won't be a patch note, and the fix will probably be a heuristic to determine if the user isn't a security expert analyzing their traffic to determine if it's sending more than it should be, with it defaulting to off until that heuristic reports a hit.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At this stage, I'm surprised that the keyboard drivers don't just send everything to Microsoft.

Although they probably already do.

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago

T E L E M E T R Y

[–] joseangel@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Ever hear of SwiftKey?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago

Use Firefox

While you're at it, switch to Linux and be done with the Microsoft and spyware bullshit

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who tf uses edge if they have a choice.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Edge is honestly a decent browser now. It's easily on par with chrome based on features, UX, and privacy issues. It's just a question of who you want to abuse your data: Google or Microsoft.

Firefox is the answer, of course, and it's all I'll use. But when it comes to compatability with websites and zero-issue usability by non-technical users in a work setting, it's hard to beat chromium based browsers.

[–] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People with different skills than you are not stupid. It takes a lot of time, energy, and effort to learn this kind of thing if you’re not interested in it.

We should be kind to others, and not assume superiority because we have skills or knowledge in one area they do not.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Using a privacy-friendly browser takes no more than”skill” than using Edge.

[–] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Well sure, that’s true. How do you know that edge isn’t privacy friendly? What about the carpenter who just wants to use their computer to pay bills and google stuff? What about the old folks who don’t know how to install something? What about the people who just don’t enjoy using a computer and haven’t had the opportunity to learn about it?

They’re no more stupid than you would be if you were using a cooking utensil the wrong way because you never learned the appropriate way to use it. Or if you use the space below your oven as storage for pans and cookie sheets instead of correctly using it as a broiler. Or maybe you have one that actually is storage. I wouldn’t know, because I cook simple meals and I’m fine with that. It doesn’t make me stupid. Nobody can know everything.

Here’s a relevant xkcd: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png

[–] jukibom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How much of that is a workaround to feed client rendered webpages into LLMs and bypass robots.txt etc

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I mean, if you want to go around what the site wants you to do, you can just ignore robots.txt. Or use it to find the juicy stuff the site would rather you didn't.

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like malware to me.

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

There has never been a malware as sophisticated as Windows.

[–] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] deleted@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It’s schroeder’s telemetry.

Your data will be in a superposition.

Edit: I mean Schrödinger's telemetry.

[–] muse@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Schroeder? The piano playing kid from The Peanuts?

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Schrödinger's telemetry.

My bad :)

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Will block it all even if the product was free.