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Swiss company Proton is further expanding its productivity suite. In addition to an email service, calendar, VPN, password manager, and drive, Proton Sheets is now available. It is an alternative to Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets, an increasingly important advantage as countries take sovereignty more seriously.

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[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

My go-to online suite, but their spreadsheets, documents, and presentations have some big limitations as they use embedded OnlyOffice.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 59 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (12 children)

Why are we linking to 3rd party articles with no sources rather than just the horse's mouth?

https://proton.me/blog/sheets-proton-drive

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[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is it called collabora calc?

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

How is reimbursement for the money Microsoft itself asks to be published on their Store, a "fucked up philosophy"?
You are blaming the wrong party.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 points 25 minutes ago

I have no issue with the payment, my issue is with the only available pre-built distribuition being Microsoft Store.

It's really an issue of their own making as they market themselves as an alternative to Microsoft prodcuts while using Microsoft as a dependancy in their pipeline. Which also makes it a single failure point.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Do we like Proton? I never know which VPN company I can truly trust.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 38 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

They're increasingly divisive I'd say. For me the fact that they rage-quit mastodon after a stint of bad publicity is all I need to know. If they were truly dedicated to a better internet they would be committed to stand up against big tech everywhere, not just wherever there's money to be made from it. I'm migrating away from my proton mail account.

I get my VPN from Surfshark. Not because I necessarily trust them, but because it's cheap and they don't insist on doing anything else than just being my VPN provider. And I trust them more than Proton at this point, anyway.

[–] DahGangalang 13 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Don't let me ruin your good time, but my experience with Surf shark:

Used surf shark for about 3 years around pandemic timeframe. Had no complaints (other than it drained my phone battery super fast - didn't test empirically, but seemed somewhat worse than other VPN providers). I was unemployed for a while, so took the opportunity to cut expenses; tried to drop my surf shark subscription. It was a HUGE pain in the butt. I forget the process, but iirc, you had to use their help chat to get the number for cancellations, they kept me on hold for ~10 min, then had a long winded questionnaire ("were required to ask you these questions before proceeding") asking why I was quitting, then made an offer for discounted months before letting me unsubscribe.

Its my understanding regulations have changed such that that's not allowed anymore and also that most VPN can elations are about that bad anyway, but still, wanted to share my experience. Lol, suppose so long as you never quit, you won't have to deal with all that.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

do you have a more current preference/recommendation?

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Ah, yeah, that sucks. In Europe you can always cancel by just not paying for a subscription, so I've rarely had experiences like this. Only time it happened to me was when I had been stupid enough to have a New York Times subscription (gah) and decided to end it. Huge pain in the ass.

With Surfshark I bought a two-year subscription without automatic renewal, so I get what I paid for and then it's done. But I'm sorry to hear about their bad business practices—it goes well with the overall sleazy look of their website. Hopefully I'll find something better by the time the subscription period is over. :)

Thanks for letting me know! I try to avoid any company that doesn't have open source software as the core of their business strategy, but with VPN that's a bit tricky.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 20 points 19 hours ago

I use Proton because they are no longer a "VPN company". They are slowly rolling out a suite of privacy tools that compete with Google's Workspace (or whatever the hell they're calling it these days).

If you want a "VPN company" I would recommend Mullvad.

[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 24 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

When it comes to VPN my choice is always Mullvad.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] xylight@crust.piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I torrent even without the port forwarding and still get great speeds, and >1 share ratios

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Great for you, but most good private trackers will ban you if you aren't connectable. If you're only torrenting English stuff then public trackers are fine, or one's with lax rules like IPT, but for many other languages private trackers are unavoidable.

It's also just against the spirit of the P2P network to not accept connections from others, if your port isn't forwarded then you can only seed to users who have their port forwarded

[–] xylight@crust.piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

ah, im not that deep into it so i dont really do too much with that. I understand why you'd need port forwarding, then

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 14 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

If you don’t need port-forwarding, Mullvad is the best choice IMO. Eggs in a basket as well, if you already use other Proton products but don’t want to lock yourself into one vendor for everything.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Not even sure anymore. Ceo recently said Trump is great.

[–] illi@piefed.social 5 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

This is not completely fair or true statement - though it is not too far from truth.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Proton Mail has long positioned itself as an apolitical company, dedicated solely to safeguarding user privacy. That’s why many were surprised when CEO Andy Yen posted on X (formerly Twitter) that the political landscape in the U.S. had shifted, stating, “10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.”

This was earlier this year. So sure its up to interpretation.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 8 points 18 hours ago

So... He's an idiot, is what you're saying.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Proton Mail has long positioned itself as an apolitical company, dedicated solely to safeguarding user privacy. That’s why many were surprised when [Jan 2025] CEO Andy Yen posted on X (formerly Twitter) that the political landscape in the U.S. had shifted, stating, “10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.”

This statement quickly went viral, leading to further controversy when Proton’s official Reddit account reinforced Yen’s sentiment. The now-deleted post suggested that Republicans were more inclined to take on Big Tech monopolies than corporate-aligned Democrats. However, within hours, Proton removed all traces of these remarks from its social media platforms.

Proton? No.

[–] eodur@piefed.social 7 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, that mess was quite disappointing. I'm still waiting for them to make a clarifying statement on it. I suppose removing it and just not getting further involved in politics is at least "better" than continuing to double down.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm actually hyped for this. A privacy-first alternative to google cloud. I still prefer to self-host all my stuff, but this is WAY more accessable to my less tech-savvy friends

Now all I need is a way to save stuff to my Proton Drive without it needing to sync to a local device...

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Privacy first, yes, but who are Proton and can they be trusted? The amount of times they have responded with an immature or unprofessional reaction is too many to believe they are not going to sell or fuck with the data.

Privacy first for the authoritarian mindset is a walled garden, like Apple. They want to prevent anything from connecting or working with stuff because "security" and meanwhile harvest data about you.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Your criticism may be valid (I'm not familiar with any controversy), but if they are as bad as you say, do you have a better alternative?

I just moved from Google, so thus far it has felt like a significant improvement for me.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I've been waiting for this!... I have a couple of personal spreadsheets with Google but that's it.

Now I can completely move to Proton (not the best but at least better) and spend my day filling and removing my Google Drive with garbage tehehehe

[–] DahGangalang 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Not the exact development route I wanted them to take, but def pleased they're doing something to improve existing services.

Definitely better than the whole (ongoing?) Proton Wallet ordeal.

With Proton Sheets, Proton Drive now becomes a true alternative to Google Drive.

Lol, okay Buddy, y'all still have a long way to go on that point.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

up until they start spying like google, and selling you data, its only a matter of time.

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