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just so this doesn't overwhelm our front page too much, i think now's a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let's try to keep what's happening in this thread instead of across 10.

developments to this point:

The Verge is on it as usual, also--here's their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):

other media coverage:

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[–] myk@beehaw.org 78 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I think this reply by spez has been badly overlooked:

“the LLM explosion put all Reddit data use at the forefront”.

What he means here is that earlier this year the board realised they were sitting on a massive gold mine, and their single focus right now is to exploit that as ruthlessly as possible. Jacking up the prices to access Reddit data to eye-watering levels is intended to fleece desperate AI bros, and this may well be the only revenue stream Reddit cares about in the future.

The fact that they have put no thought or care into managing the damage that this does to third party apps and to their own reputation with the Reddit user base tells me something else too. Why bother being a good custodian of a community website that has never made a profit, when you could live off selling access to one of the largest bodies of good quality human-generated text-based content out there?

Do they even care if Reddit goes to shit in the future? Maybe not, especially now we are beginning to realise how easy it is for careful bots to poison the conversations with AI-generated replies.

[–] mortuum@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's going to become a barren wasteland of bots communicating with each other.

[–] myk@beehaw.org 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Haha, you just reminded me of this cartoon:

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[–] doctorzeromd@sopuli.xyz 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've been getting used to lemmy for the last couple days, going back and forth between here and reddit and following what's going on, and I think I just realized something that I hadn't been able to put into words.

The lemmy community feels responsive and fun to talk to, and I think that's because the people who are coming here from reddit are the people who are motivated to communicate, and are people who care about the topics in each community. That's pretty cool.

[–] chillybones@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I’ve been feeling weird about leaving Reddit; mainly because it’s been my main source of entertainment, news, and community for over 10 years but this is a really good point about any ‘social’ network. Even the link aggregator sites like Reddit. Over the past couple of years, I feel like my engagement has dropped significantly because it hasn’t been FUN to engage with the communities I was a part of the same way it was when I first joined. I’m hoping to recapture that a bit here specifically on Lemmy and in the fediverse at large.

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[–] tango_octogono@beehaw.org 69 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Sharing this because it should be shared

[–] DarbyDear@beehaw.org 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This was the moment that cemented my choice to move away from Reddit. My plan initially was to see how the blackouts would play out, but this showed even more clearly than the initial thread about Apollo's woes with Reddit just how garbage the decision-making at Reddit is.

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[–] dirtmayor@beehaw.org 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Annies_Boobs@beehaw.org 32 points 2 years ago

I’m glad at least one site is taking off the kid gloves with the title.

[–] Animortis@beehaw.org 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I keep sitting here waiting for Reddit to backtrack. But it keeps not happening.

[–] roi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Reddit isn't going back. Even if they did I'm sure they just convinced multiple users to not go back. I hope the blackout and tons of users moving will have a big enough impact to devalue Reddit even if somewhat.

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[–] shep@midwest.social 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lol. This sounds like a dig at spez.

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[–] monsterlynn@beehaw.org 47 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I just don't get how a site based on freely produced content thst employs volunteer mods can actually monetise.

That part just gets me. The site has nothing without the users and the users have nothing without the mods.

[–] FriendlyFusion@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They’re taking us all for granted. They are going to embarrass themselves if they go public

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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I love how the AMA has 0 points. You down vote it and it comes back to 0. No manipulation there reddit. Just that alone shows what a disgrace that company is.

[–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I don't think posts on reddit ever actually show less than 0 points no matter how many downvotes they get. Comments do, but posts always bottom out at 0 as far as I know.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago

That's been a thing for a long time. Threads can not go into negatives. You can only see the upvote percentage.

You aren't the first person I've seen confused about that, which I think indicates a big problem with reddit's modern design. Back in the old days on every thread and comment you could see both how many up and down votes it got, not just the total number. It was cleaner and more transparent. Over time, reddit has increasingly obfuscated how all the magic numbers work.

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[–] myk@beehaw.org 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The active mod team of r/videos (nearly 27M subscribers) has agreed that their shutdown will now be permanent. https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/145vns0/the_future_of_rvideos/

In a tildes post (I’m riding a lot of horses right now) one of the mods said:

I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.

[Edit: just seen that’s there’s a top level post on this too]

[–] lynny@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (6 children)

No way Reddit is going to be able to replace so many mods on so many subs that deal with so many millions of users. They can try, but that doesn't mean it will work.

[–] mortuum@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Apparently they'll be laying off about 90 workers (5%) whilst also lowering the amount of people they will hire. So, less staff to begin with. Less mods. It's going to be a shitshow. The admins don't even deal with moderation, really. Reporting is outsourced to their "Anti Evil Operations" team. So wtf are they going to do? I can't wait to see the downfall.

At this point, after that poor excuse of an AMA, their reputation is tanked.

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[–] DJDarren@beehaw.org 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Well, the AMA was a shining success…

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The way that guy gaslit the Appolo dev, and doubles down that the Appolo dev is the bad guy. Even though the recording is clear that the reddit ceo is straight up lying. Imaging working with, or having to interact with someone who so easily lies like that. Shameless

[–] DJDarren@beehaw.org 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s hilarious really. Christian has the fucking receipts. Spez can say what he wants, but it’s meaningless drivel.

[–] ellabella@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also, I just looked into the AMA and....he only gave 14 answers 🙄

[–] AbelianGrape@beehaw.org 21 points 2 years ago

To their credit, there were other admins too!

Collectively, they ~~answered~~ responded to a whopping additional 5 comments!

I may miss the community, but I definitely won't miss reddit.

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[–] DJDarren@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Luvs2Spuj@beehaw.org 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

There was a response on the AMA where u/spez said "Reddit would always be profit driven and currently does not make a profit. Unlike TP apps"

You can no longer see this on the Reddit app, it is obscured in someway. Perhaps because of the potential impact for the IPO?

[–] chris@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He is essentially saying, "we are unable to make a profit, so our plan is to use someone else's profit to make money."

What I think he's going for is sympathy points, but he did not read that back lol

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[–] falcon@beehaw.org 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This whole situation feels like a short term revenue grab. I bet shareholders are trying to inflate the numbers in order to cash out in the IPO.

[–] Debs@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah. I think this is pretty much the accepted narrative. Kill the 3P apps -> Consolidate the user base -> Serve everyone adds -> Hopefully turn a profit -> Go public or sell the company -> Founders/Investors cash out and profit.

The collateral damage is that they risk killing the culture that makes Reddit a place people want to congregate.

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[–] nvck@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

what blew my mind, and the minds of many other people on reddit is that they (reddit) have 2,000 employees and yet still can't piece together a good and accessible experience for their users...

[–] GraceGH@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No matter how many developers you get, you're never going to have a good product if the guy calling the shots won't allow it. I'm confident that the developers working on Reddit probably know damn well that their product is trash and there's nothing they can do about it because their job isn't "make a good site" its "do what your boss tells you to do"

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[–] nhgeek@beehaw.org 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I'm out. Redact is busy just now deleting everything under my account.

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[–] TopHat@compuverse.uk 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's simply disappointing to see the disaster for the AMA. Saddens me to see Reddit go down like this. At least we got the Lemmy-proxy being a community project. Would love to still use Infinity as my main "reddit" browsing app, after all.

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[–] Carcel@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

RedReader has been granted a non-commercial accessibility exemption and will not shut down. QuantumBadger is planning long term changes to support Lemmy, HackerNews, and Tild.es alongside Reddit in the same app.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/

[–] Lowbird@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

That is fantastic news.

I've already deleted my reddit account, but I use RedReader primarily as a "look, don't touch" way to view reddit anyways. RedReader allows you to customize so much that you can turn off all the voting buttons and the reply buttons, so you just get a nice minimalist reading experience, don't have the constant tiny mental overhead of voting, and don't risk getting tempted into impulsively wasting your time (and supporting reddit) writing comments/posts.

Edit: being able to use RedReader for Lemmy would be wonderful, but it looks like that might be a thing in the distant future, perhaps, but not the near future.

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[–] tyler@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder how much backtracking will be done. Are they going to listen to the concerns of the community or are they going to double down on their decisions?

[–] DaEagle@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My guess - zero backtracking

[–] tyler@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

From how the AMA went, it sure seems that way. Funny how they just agreed to fuck over Apollo, but are working with the other apps, especially after blatantly lying about the situation. What a mess.

[–] khoplex@lemmy.one 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Spez was likely pissy that Christian called him on his bullshit and had all the receipts to prove it.

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[–] noob_dragon@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Wow, RedReader somehow managed to get spared due to its accessibility features. Was not on my bingo card at all. I guess somehow I can still manage to use Reddit completely ad free, but who knows for how long. Even better, the RedReader dev might have plans to integrate Lemmy into it.

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[–] chrislenz@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Wow. Spez is doubling down on attacking the Apollo dev. You'd think spez was new to reddit with the way he's commenting.

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[–] dirtmayor@beehaw.org 23 points 2 years ago

Hacker News: Reddit bans subreddit detailing how to move to competitor Kbin

KbinMigration Subreddit URL: https://old.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration

Hacker News Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36268458

[–] DingoFan@beehaw.org 21 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I am wondering if, based on this horrible AMA, if subs are going to either blackout early, or decide that 48 hours won't really do anything so they opt to go indefinitely.

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[–] V4uban@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] kherge@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago

I wish they included Selig's follow up on disproving the app's supposed inefficiency.

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