Wonder what they think Trump would have done differently.
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Seriously. Trump is advocating turning Gaza into a parking lot.
And it's not like Democrats have exactly been shy of their general support of Israel, if you've paid any attention at all. They just also happen to acknowledge that Palestinians are people, unlike most Republicans.
It's possible to be angry at both Republicans and Democrats.
But you still must vote for the one likely to do you the least harm if you don't want to get fucked. White Biden sucks he's objectively better than Trump for Muslim Americans. Trump was talking about deporting and blocking them from entering.
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In a First Past the Post voting system, refusing to vote, or voting 3rd party, is numerically the same as an extra vote for the candidate you hate the most. It's just one more vote closer to victory that your opposition gets.
Neither party is great, there's plenty to dislike about both, but it's patently obvious that one is far more harmful than the other.
Well it's not really numerically the same as voting for the candidate you hate the most, it's numerically the same as not voting. And to be honest, it really only matters if you're in a potential swing state. And I'm saying this as someone who still votes despite having lived in a deep red state where my presidential vote always doesn't matter (but I go anyway because down ballot votes do matter and I might as well vote the whole ballot).
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Sure don't vote Biden. Just vote for the fascist Republicans that previously banned people from muslim countries. That will work, right gaiz? Plus any Republican president won't ever send Gaza aid. Biden is sending aid.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897197/biden-makes-deal-on-aid-delivery-to-gaza
Yeah. Does anybody else think that this "One strike and you're dead to me, regardless of how complex the issue is" thing is getting a little out of hand? The only winning move here is not to play, but then he would be attacked from both sides for appearing apathetic.
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Islam and far right Christianity have a lot in common. Wouldn't surprise me that the Muslim community would side with the party that wants to limit women's rights and LGBTQ rights.
Honestly it's shocking how most religions veer right in the most extreme groups. Ultra orthodox anything tends to lead to traditional but extreme sexism, cultishness, and xenophobia, or in other words, the GOP.
Not shocking at all. If your religion encourages open mindedness, people will open their minds. This gives them the opportunity to leave whenever they want.
But a religion that exerts control over its members tends to trap people into it, therefore growing over time. So we see that successful religions tend towards extremism, because they are more “fit”, in a Darwinist sense.
It's not shocking. The right, conservatism, can be explained by asking what it is they want to conserve. What do conservatives want to conserve?
The answer is traditional societal norms, hierarchies and power structures. From here it isnt a big jump to understand why religions and conservatism often go hand in hand.
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Single issue voters are myopic
Eh. I’d argue that if your single issue is climate change, you’re rather sharp sighted. But I take your point in general.
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So, like, are they going to vote for the guy that literally has "banning Muslims" as a platform?
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Welp…good lucky with that other guy, whomever that might be.
My feeling is that this "betrayed" part of Muslim is the socially conservative one that voted left because the right was racists and pro Israel. But if the left is pro Israel as well, then they might as well vote right to get conservative (pro life, misogynistic) policies forward
TBH, the bizarre cognitive dissonance in all these religious types (pick one) bypasses all rational thought processes.
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Ok, but then don‘t cry when Trump gets reelected
“I am willing to vote for a much worse actual fascist monster who will 100% use his presidency to destroy democracy and those that tried to hold him accountable, all because Biden… stood with an ally during a horrendous terrorist attack even though because of Biden Israel has slowed its roll and allowed aid in”
The full brainless take from that moron. What an emotionally stunted bullshit opinion
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If I have to choose between eating a shit sandwich and a shit sandwich with broken glass, I'm gonna choose the one without the broken glass every time. So many people seem to think that eating the one with broken glass, or letting someone else choose, is somehow taking a stand against shit sandwiches.
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A man giving up his life for the USA is not enough to stop Trump from berating that soldier's surviving family publicly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khizr_and_Ghazala_Khan
If Arab and Muslim want to choose that over Biden because of Palestine well then I'll not contribute ever again to a rebuilding of the mosque in my community.
Consider my face eaten, leopards.
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religion makes people do the dumbest shit
So who are they going to vote for then? I cannot believe that they would imagine Trump to be more sympathetic to their cause, if anything, Israel would receive even stronger backing were he the President
Didn't he basically put a fire to the whole conflict by moving the embassy to Jerusalem?
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They obvioualy haven't heard what Trump and the right said about Hamas then, or they wouldnt be thinking that way.
This is a best case scenario.
Yeah, vote for a republican because that’s definitely not going to fuck you. And let’s fucking be real, all you pedants: a vote other than Biden is a vote for the republican traitor filth.
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because of biden we got the ground invasion put off and humanitarian aid flowing into gaza...
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That makes no sense whatsoever to me. And I'm not alone, that I know for sure. I mean the whole ordeal: religion, war, hate, the economic construct of "nations" - I don't get it anymore. Actually never had.
😂 lol so they want trump.... Who wants to wipe out all Muslims.
Seems kinda weak, just stating who you don't support. And to be a single issue voter is dangerous.
Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. population, which is much less than the margin of any presidential election in my lifetime, so I doubt Biden is losing too much sleep over this.
You forget that the US isn't a Democracy. In 2016, Trump won Michigan by less than 12,000 votes. Dearborn, MI has 100,000 people, roughly half of which are Arab-American.
Does that mean Biden has to listen to them? Biden did win Michigan by 150,000 votes in 2020, and people never vote 100% by their ethnicity, so they probably won't swing the election all on their own. And there could be worse consequences even just in MI for even a small budge in the direction of Palestine. But, if I were Biden, I'd be thinking about it.
Horse-race bullshit aside, he should support Palestine because it's the right thing to do. So ultimately I support these people; the outcome at the very least is the Biden admin is going to think harder about maintaining their level of support for Israel, and that's a good thing.
Biden is going to need to reach out to Muslim, Black, Latino, and Asian voters. Any one of them, on their own, won't swing the election, but a combination of them deciding to just stay home will give us Trump 2.0.
"In fact, Trump appears to have gotten more, not less support from American Muslims. Associated Press exit polls show 35% of Muslims voted for Trump and 64% for Joe Biden. A separate poll from a Muslim civil rights group found that 17% of Muslims voted for Trump, but that was still up by 4 percentage points from its poll in 2016.
Muslims make up a small percentage of the population, but their vote is key in states such as Michigan. It's a state where Biden won by about 155,000 votes. Trump won Michigan in 2016 by under 11,000."
"In Obama’s first presidential campaign, 95 percent of Black male voters and 96 percent of Black women chose him. Four years later, support from Black women remained at 96 percent for Obama’s 2012 re-election, while the figure for Black men slid to 87 percent.
In 2016, when the nominee was Hillary Clinton, Black men dropped further to 82 percent while Black women’s support for Clinton remained high at 94 percent. Biden came close to matching that this year, garnering the support of 91 percent of Black women."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/new-trump-poll-women-hispanic-voters-497199
"But Biden only won Hispanic voters by 21 points, 59 percent to 38 percent, down significantly from Clinton’s 38-point advantage, 66 percent to 28 percent. There was a slight gender gap — Biden won Hispanic men by 17 and Hispanic women by 24 — but Trump surged broadly among Hispanics, especially among Hispanic voters without a college degree.
Trump “had about a 10-point gain from 2016 to 2020 in the share of Hispanic voters who supported him,” said Ruth Igielnik, a senior researcher at Pew."
Biden won the Asian demo 63-31, but that's down from Clinton's numbers of 65-27. Trump actually did better against Biden despite the anti-China rhetoric and rise in attacks on Asian citizens.
"While Biden performed well among Asian Americans, the data suggest that Trump didn't lose support with the group, either. Paul Ong, a research professor at the UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs, said he expected more movement away from Trump because of his use of xenophobic and discriminatory language to describe the pandemic, such as "kung flu" and "China virus."
Ong said that during the pandemic, anti-Asian sentiment across the country has contributed to both hate incidents as well as an unprecedented increase in Asian American unemployment and business closings."
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