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[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They also take more federal spending than they pay in taxes. The states are on welfare, not just the people.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Red counties in Blue states are usually the ones taking more then giving also.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kinda makes me think this is why they want to give more power to the Republicans because they are convinced it's the people they elected who are sustaining them. When really they are the ones holding them down.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 98 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Conservative policies have literally never been effective either socially or economically. They only funnel money from the poor to the rich. That's it.

[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't know, it sounds like it's pretty effective for the rich.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You forgot highest crime. Most murderers. Sure, they like to point at Chicago, but the top cities are in red states.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Here's the top 20 rated cities for homicide. List is less simple because they take into account other factors, but Chicago is #27 (rated #13 based on solely homicide rates)

Source (2023): https://wallethub.com/edu/cities-homicide-rate/94070

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[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's the (insert current minority scapegoat)'s fault.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago

Republicans are the party of self fulfilling prophecies.

Oppress minorities into poverty - > stop programs to eradicate poverty - > complain minorities are poor and criminal - > rinse and repeat.

Elect corrupt, incompetent politicians - > politicians get rid of competence in government and shift money to political cronies - > complain government is ineffective and corrupt.

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@feddit.de 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Poor and uneducated people, as a whole, always more tend to vote conservative. Conservative parties around the world know this and strive for/want to keep this condition

[–] JimmyChanga@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is this true globally or a USofA thing? On oneside of my family the entire lineage is working class in East Scotland. THey are died in the wool Labour voter's and won't entertain any Conservatism, when Labour shifted more central under Blair etc a few switched to voting for Socialist candidates, one went nationalist, but from my understanding this is the norm there.

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I can't really provide a good source, didn't find a proper study by a quick google search, I believe it would be hard to track worldwide. But here in germany it's definitely the point with the party AfD.

And i mean it makes sense. Right populist politicians providing simple, easy to understand solutions, that don't work or even harm their own voters, for problems that they're addressing, that they made up, blaming easy targets, mostly foreigners who didn't do shit, for it. No need to think on your own if you have a stronk Führer to follow, promising paradise for you.

It's also easier to focus on a smaller group that you feel more affiliated, familiar with, than to think about absolute fairness on a bigger scale and make concessions. It's easier to shout "they're stealing our jobs" than thinking about being part of the problem by fucking up the economy of the country they came from. Or support the countries development, because that way they'd lose a useful scapegoat

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your observations are similar to my experience as well. Conservatives I know are regular people who, I think, feel overwhelmed by things they don't understand and whose self-protection response to fear and change is anger. They essentially want to simplify the world by reducing diversity.

One thing that I find interesting about this group is that most of them used to stew relatively quietly until imposed upon. I think that the rise of social censure for politically incorrect speech has had a strong rallying effect on them. That's why people like Jordan Peterson went from zeroes to heroes on the right. I hate to say it, but I think we on the left made a huge tactical error by aggressively regulating speech through social censure. Obviously, conservatives have always been out there in large numbers, but the imposition of rather doctrinaire political correctness, combined with the connecting and "outing" power of the internet, has led to them becoming much more vocal and politically active. Now, the right and the left have become not just rivals but mortal enemies.

There are also the religious extremists who want to remake the world in the image of their holy book, but that's a whole other nefarious kettle of fish. They are rather cynically using the anger of the populist right to forward their agenda. There is no better example of this than evangelicals lionizing a moral retard like Trump.

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

"ThEy sTeaL oUr fReEduM"

People have to be taught that every individual's freedom has the limit where someone else's begins..

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 52 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Actual rebuttal I've been given when making this point to a Conservative:

That's just because of the black people.

[–] the_seven_sins@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The black people which there are more of in the democrat states. Because of the evil democrats. ~/s~

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And those welfare programs are gutted to near worthlessness.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 years ago

in their fervor, they gutted the very welfare programs they depend on

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Yet still soak up money. Almost like all the 'means testing' and like measures are just worthless expenses to make conservatives hard at the idea of poor people suffering more.

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It's insane. My friend moved to Texas for work and he has had to wait 6 months for an appointment just to get his new driver's license. It's so dysfunctional. Unclear if it is by design or due to incompetence, maybe both

[–] electriccars@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just do a walk in? You don't need an appointment it just saves time if you can plan ahead

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemm.ee 39 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Because kings have to have serfs and slaves, and all the yokels think they're going to wind up the kings, they're wrong.

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[–] TiKa444@feddit.de 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Because of the democrats. Obviously.

/s

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

Driving through some poor rural towns in Kentucky and West Virginia is like an extended commercial for a charity. It's sad. It's infuriating. And the problems are systemic.

[–] Retroviral@lemmynsfw.com 35 points 2 years ago (4 children)

For the past 60 years the majority of recessions have started during Republican presidencies. GDP growth and deficit reduction also favors Democrat presidencies.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That has far more to do with the boom-bust business cycle creating waves of anti-tax conservative-leaning voters when markets are good and waves of pro-public spending liberal-leaning voters when markets go bad.

Similarly, the D/R economic divide has much more to do with Republicans heavily investing in export-oriented state economies (particularly those with big fossil fuel reserves) while Democrats coast on the LBJ legacy that plays well in large urban metroplexes. So, consider Wyoming, which is practically a fief of the Cheney (really Vincent, Dick just married in) family for decades. The state is practically a company town, what with the volume of O&G exploitation that commands employment. And the Vincent/Cheney clan sits at the top of the pyramid. They're heavily invested in Republican politics, because Republicans are deeper in the pockets of fossil fuel business.

Swing over to Kentucky, where a deeply conservative democrat Governor Andy Beshear holds office, or pop up to Vermont, where one of the last liberal Republicans Phil Scott holds sway, or pop over to New Jersey where Republicans periodically go into and out of high office because their Dem counterparts are constantly getting indicted for SEC violations and bribery scandals, you'll get a different political dynamic despite the same two parties running the show.

Ultimately, both parties are invested in the long term growth of the FIRE sector and a US political hegemony internationally. So their policies don't vary significantly, outside of a few niche hot-buttons. Fights over abortion and the rights of trans-people simply don't have a huge impact on the state or national economies. By contrast, their alignment on education privatization and their focus on a steady return for stock portfolios means every state from California to Florida to New York to Texas has the same set boilerplate set of problems - skyrocketing real estate costs, ballooning student/medical debts, stagnant wages, decaying urban infrastructure, and enormous wealth inequality thanks to wave after wave of scams at the public and private levels.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

White supremacists - surprise, surprise - only cares about the idea of whiteness. They never actually care all that much about actual white people themselves.

It probably has something to do with the fact that right-wing ideology (of which white supremacism is merely one) consists of nothing more than excuses, pretexts and lies designed to protect and benefit power and privilege and nothing else.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I have two half-Thai cousins who are hardcore white supremacists. It's so weird to talk to people who are so into an ideology that excludes them in particular.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm sure they are the freest.

[–] ozmot@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Free from tyrannical acts of the government like properly maintaining roads.

[–] 1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@DandomRude@lemmy.world They are, if you're a billionaire or corporation. Billionaires and corporations have the least restrictions in red states.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You may take our lives, but you can never take our serfdom!

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[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Capitalism. Especially poorly regulated capitalism.

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