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"Natural" or "unnatural" isn't a thing, unless you believe in ghosts. Same as "humans are meant/built/made to X", unless you're one of those delusional cultists who think some deity designed us all.
Whatever we do, it's "natural" and can most often be found elsewhere in nature. There are ants that farm aphids for fuck's sake and other animals that do even weirder shit.
"Natural" and "Unnatural" isn't a thing unless you believe in ghosts
If ghosts were real, they would be a natural part of the universe.
I miss r/natureismetal. It was at times highly educational
OK, so first of all, what they are doing in this picture is checking if the cows are pregnant. I have never seen someone being table to impregnate cows by sticking their arm up their ass.
Second thing you should remember: In nature the bull literally does not fucking care. If a cow is ovulating (bulls and cows are able to detect when this is the case), he will literally try to fuck the specific cow the entire fucking day. IRS not like he fucks the cow once and then its done, we are talking about the bull following the cow the whole day and continuously (trying to) fucking her.
I would argue, that a single small metal rod is less tiring than a horny bull trying to fuck you the whole day.
And before people are going to throw shit at me: No, this does not mean, that industrial grade factory farming is in any form or shape a good system. I have seen it all and I know how incredibly bad it can be. However, I Am not a fan of throwing the word rape (even if the exact word has not been used here) around, simply because you could somewhat classify the natural process as rape too.
And the cow often ends up hurt, sometimes permanently. Culling for hip displacement and broken legs is not uncommon.
Thats quite of an exaggeration and this can be counteracted.
It is common, that cows can get hurt by the bull, but these wounds are usually only on the skin (this comes from the bull and other cows continuosly mount a single cow). If the ground however is slippery, it can happen that a cow gets hurt due to slipping when another animal tries to mount her. However counteracting this can be quite easy. Since you as a farmer usually know when a cow is ovulating just put her and the bull in a separate area, that has straw on the ground. At least in germany this is also mandatory (to be exact, its illegal to let the bull walk with the rest of the herd).
Well, we end up with at least a few hobbling around for a couple months, and other that show evidence of long-term damage that we will cull after weaning. That's from a herd of 334 Angus/Simmental which aren't a huge phenotype like Charolais, where it's more common. And pasture breeding is the defacto standard in North America.
So no, it's not an exaggeration, it's actual experience.
I mean... it is.
Looking at this directly from a viewpoint of what is "natural" for the human body, being vegan is unnatural.
Being an omnivore is. Our entire digestive system is such that the natural diet of the human body is an omnivorous one and it does best when treated as such. And that means a small amount of animal fats, proteins, trace minerals, and amino acids in one's diet.
I'm not going to argue morals or ethics, because that wasn't what the post was about. It's what's about what is "natural."
Yes, you may disagree with me. Strenuously, and just know that I respect you and hope that you and yours have an excellent day wherever you happen to be on this flaming cannonball of a planet we call home.
Discussions like this usually get heated fast. At the end of the day, people make food choices for different ethical, cultural, and practical reasons — it’s probably more productive to talk about systems and standards than attack each other.
I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight... Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word "unnatural". The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour.....and im well past thinking theyre not.
An act being natural or unnatural is not a reason to say that action is good or bad. I think we all agree unecessarily harming a sentient being is bad though.
I agree with that sentiment, yes. On both counts.
Why is this the top post for like the last week?
Life eats life. I'm not going to try to convince a lion to not eat a gazelle, and I'm not going to try and convince a human not to eat the thing its been hunting and eating for 10 thousand years.
I agree that factory farming is terrible. If we are going to eat an animal, its best if we raise it and kill it ourself in the quickest and most painless way possible, to ensure happiness and health during its life and mitigate as much suffering. It also forces us to face the act of death itself, and hopefully be grateful of the animal for the meals it provides.
All things die. As someone who went through "dying", I can say with some confidence that dying sucks, and you will suffer when you go through it. Whether its being shot, stabbed, strangled, poisoned, or dying of the complications of old age. You are going to suffer unless you're doped to high heaven on morphine or something similar.
Are vegans going about using opioids to euthanize factory farmed cows in mass? No? Then I guess they're going to suffer, and I'm not letting them suffer in vain.
THAT would be unethical.
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Unlike lions, people have the choice not to eat another animal.
Mr.Vegan you realize that cows don't have a cloaca right?
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You know, i used to have more heated discussions about this, but now i feel like I matured a different view on this, at all. I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. Ideally, being vegan is just that, being vegan. You can be whatever... It's not mandatory to be either.
I eventually found out that any amount of rage or hate for that was only projection of my special insecurities.
