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What keeps a peach from being a single-seed berry or from an avocado being a drupe?
Edit: low-key love that we are all learning by sharing knowledge and evidence. It's refreshing.
Edit 2: Fun Fact. Did you know Oklahoma has Watermelon as the State's Vegetable?
Yeah this doesn't make any sense
The hard endocarp
In other words, by my understanding, peaches have a pit containing their seeds, but avocados just have a seed.
Do avocados not have a pit?
We call it that but the whole thing is just a big ol seed
But how is that any different than a peach? I’m so confused by this.
Peach pits aren't seeds, but they have a seed inside.
Sick.
Looks like the endocarp in the avocado is imperceptible, whereas it is the hard pit in peaches and other drupes, per Wikipedia
Drupes have pits contained within a hard shell (I guess called an endocarp?).
Peach pits look like an almond inside of a walnut shell basically. Avocados just have a really large seed in direct contact with the buttery soft mesocarp.
I don't know who decided to classify gourds, melons, and citrus fruits as berries, but I imagine they had mischief in mind...
Ah yes, my favorite berry... the avocado.
I enjoy a good pumpkin berry. Fresh from the vine.
An apple sounds much less appealing when you describe it as an indecent (achoo) swollen receptacle tissue with a soft mesocarp...
Man I am glad I tasted fruit before I read this.
Swollen receptacle tissue you say
A pumpkin is a berry?!
I guess so? Which I suppose means all the other gourds/squash/melons/cucumbers are too
Pretty fruity
Aubergines, cucumbers, kiwi, and citrusfruit are botanical berries as well. The correct answer is that berry should be seen as a culinary term just like fruit and vegetable.
That's nuts!
Well ackthually... that's a legume
Fruit is sweet, vegetables are savory, berries are what I declare to be a berry. Done and done
Most "fruit" are sweet because we made them so. And we did so with plenty of vegetables too.
Sweetest thing in my garden are tomatoes.
Once you grow your own tomatoes, supermarket just won't do. It's a different world, we are tomato buddies
I'm so excited to start planting; all the tomato seeds we planned last weekend have already germinated
Fish are fishy.
Mushrooms in the vegetable section hoping no one calls them out
Not only that, banana is a grass berry.
A lot of this would make a lot more sense to you guys if you saw these plants in their original, non-cultivated states. They don't look anything like the shit in grocery stores.
Humans accidentally named blueberries correctly.
Berries aren't berries. Vegetables aren't real.
I didn't know plants have ovaries. Does that mean that strawberries are like an afterbirth? Are seedless fruit menstrual flow?
Maybe humans could evolve so that the bloody placenta attracts wolves who then raise the baby.
You know that white stuff that the seeds attach to in chilis? That’s the placenta! It’s the spiciest part of the whole pepper!
I can't tell if you've ruined chilies for me, or if something else is happening.
How about this: mangrove trees give 'birth'.
Also so is squash lol
And pumpkin, peppers, cucumbers, zucchini,...
Now I need to know if Blackberry is a berry.
*No:
The usually black fruit is not a berry in the botanical sense, as it is termed botanically as an aggregate fruit, composed of small drupelets.
All could’ve been solved with some inclusivity, but nooo…