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The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren't necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days ("surge" because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):

Hopefully the energy of this reaction won't be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

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[–] codiak540@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago

Hi! I'm actually the creator of unshitted-systemd (the one at the bottom of the list). I had my eye on systemd for a few weeks due to the whole AI code fiasco, but the second my friend DM'ed me saying "they just added age verification" I said "I'm forking it", forked it, stripped the DoB field, and submitted a PR

Not even an hour later my PR was closed due to being "Spam".

So I went further, stripped all the AI code, the realName field for User Accounts, and started fixing issues that haven't been fixed by systemd themselves. I also saw a 4.5 second boot time speedup from installing mine. I have NO IDEA how, but it's happened.

I plan on going further and taking out parts that go against user privacy and control over their system (I.E: systemd makes the /etc read only by default, I've removed that code in my fork)

I can't do this on my own though, if anyone wants to help, please let me know! you can email me at codiak540@bbs.4d2.org, or contact me through github. You might be able to DM me on this platform idk I'm new to it, and my discord is @codiak540

If the original description hasn't made it clear, I'm not afraid of California. I don't live in California and as such believe I am not subject to their stupid laws. Keep that in mind if you're considering helping me.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

As someone who has used Linux for over a decade, I have no idea how I would even go about replacing Systemd on my computer; even if I wanted to.

Ageless Linux, now that's something I can get behind: a script that I don't understand, to accomplish something I think I might need, or just think is neat.

Unfortunately, I don't use a Debian based distro, so I'm SOL on that front as well.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For arch... generally if there's a core/extra official package, there can be alternatives in the AUR that list the system package as a "provides" alias.

From a quick AUR search, the systemd-liberated-git package is already up there. To replace systemd you'd install the AUR package which would tell you it conflicts with the official/core systemd package and ask if you wanted to replace it. If the package maintainer has everything right, it should just work.

Personally I'll wait to see if a viably stable and well-maintained fork of systemd without age stuff shows up and switch once it sounds problem-free(ish).

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago

I use Fedora, and honestly, I'm not even going to look for alternatives or work arounds unless and until my system actually tries to verify my age.

But that's good to know, thank you. I imagine that if I do have to dump Fedora, I will probably go to an Arch based system purely for the AUR.

[–] morkyporky@suppo.fi 6 points 3 hours ago

Use a distro without systemd?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 hours ago

This is so incredibly dump

[–] mech@feddit.org 18 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Systemd still has no age verification, so all those forks are absolutely pointless.
If and when Systemd adds age verification, I'll move away from it.
But the recent change adds literally nothing. Just leave the field blank, like you always did with those for your home address and full name.
The age field is malicious compliance. It satisfies the letter of the law while being completely and deliberately useless for its purpose.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 1 points 44 minutes ago

I don’t know why we downvoted the correct answer.

It sucks and is stupid but the alternative is banning Linux. You wanna have ICE knock on your door for “harboring a foreign operating system that doesn’t comply with the Christlike values of patriotic Americans”?

[–] codiak540@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

The age field is one step closer to age verification in a program that already has made it more than clear that they don't respect their consumers. Not only that but it also opens the door for other distro's to force age verification.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

Systemd isn't going to add age verification

[–] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

I think there is an intention to convey a clear message. I will be warching the distro's. Red Hat, being an IBM company, will probably back this age verification farce. I'm not so sure about the community distro's like Debian or Arch. Maybe even Ubuntu will stop short.

Despite being a minor technical feature, I think this will have a disproportionate response from people.

[–] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 67 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing more dramatic than Linux users angry-forking a repository

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

As somebody that uses valkey, I'm happy there's drama.

[–] EmK@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 hours ago

Yup, and MariaDB, and LibreOffice, and Nextcloud...

[–] mereo@piefed.ca 31 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Let's be realistic. All these forks will get us nowhere because systemd has become a platform on which major components of the Linux system depend. KDE's new login depends on systemd, as does Gnome.

These forks are just a reaction to the latest addition. They will fizzle out.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Because KDE and GNOME can't possibly choose to use something else...?

[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

KDE can be used absolutely fine with any other login manager, I personally use Ly https://codeberg.org/fairyglade/ly to login Info kde on wayland.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I liked ly, they changed at some point to not allow me to type in any username, had to select from list of valid users and it didn't list AD users. No amount of futzing could get it working so I switched to lemurs. Just mentioning it as another good console-based-login option

[–] teft@piefed.social 25 points 6 hours ago (15 children)

That the Linux system depends on? No.

That your chosen distro depends on? Sure.

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[–] randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

It's almost like the latest changes are unpopular or something... /s

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[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I use Linux Mint DE for steam games which I barely play anymore so this whole Systemd/age-verification mess has next to no effect on me. It's still really interesting to see everything play out in real time.

Speaking strictly as an outsider looking in, I still can't help but feel uncomfortable and slightly worried about what has happened already. People who seek authoritarian powers over others will always start small, even if it's "just a joke." Always pushing boundaries and normalizing new boundaries that are further away from freedom. It's never ending.

Fighting back against people who's only source of creativity or identity is labeling and categorizing other people is fucking exhausting. And they don't even make an effort for their one creative outlet either...

[–] warm@kbin.earth 18 points 6 hours ago

It's hard to fight back because of all the people who down play everything as insignificance, "it doesn't affect me", "it's optional" or others.

It's happening in this very comment section too and every comment section where anything attacking our rights is mentioned. Our freedoms will be slowly eroded away, then these people will be affected and they will suddenly be surprised: "how could this have happened?"

[–] Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 14 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

This is a stupid reason to fork systemd, this is an optional features. I can think of totally reasonable use cases/situations where such an optional makes a lot of sense.

Mind you, while I don't have children, I have no intent to restrict their usage of the internet. Teaching them critical thinking and providing them a broad cultural exposure seems like a much more productive approach.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 1 points 46 minutes ago

I do think it would be better as a optional systemd add-on type of package, if such a thing exists.

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