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The surprising order means any new Wi-Fi router models sold in the country must be US-made, or receive an exemption from the Pentagon or Homeland Security Department.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm guessing to receive an exemption they just need to pay a relatively cheap bribe

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

So the spyware will be built into American-made routers. Got it.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just to remind you as the surveillance state crawls further up between your kidneys that Epstein used a free gmail account hosted on US servers and nobody did dick about him.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 16 hours ago

Bro was dead ass talking about diddling kids on main in plaintext and they say they need to ban encryption to catch criminals.

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 6 points 17 hours ago

Yeah but I’m poor. All the laws apply to me no matter how stupid and hypocritical.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 100 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They're gonna tell you this is the only way to be sure that routers don't contain a backdoor. They're gonna tell themselves this is the only way to be sure that routers do contain a backdoor.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago

Domestic spying good foreign spying bad

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It can be both.

[–] KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So ship all the parts here and assemble them here... foreign companies have been doing this for decades.

I'm sure some moron thinks this will "create jobs". I'll let you guess who the moron is.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

This is about surveillance, not jobs.

[–] teft@piefed.social 81 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] Willoughby@piefed.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Painting a target on himself

Put it before the white box, then wireguard or ygg out to a vps. Fuck 'em.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I did this 20 years ago, I can do it again...

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*Unless you pay tribute to the authoritarian government.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Obvious move toward even more of a surveillance state. My current router is not US made and my next one definitely won't be. Buying American made is buying a little piece of fascism.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very little is American made.

[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have some insight for the average joe.

When you buy an American made product its a sham 99% of the time.

I used to run an injection molding machine for a job. And made parts for a well known brand.

The parts where made from LG plastics from china, on a Japanese injection molding machine ran by me. That got paid $16.40 an hour, with no benefits.

The parts said "made in America" on the mold.

Utter sham, im all for american jobs. But its bullshit to say its made in america. When all the parts that make it are not American.

There should be some legal president that if it says "made in america" it must be 98% american resources.

Not some dog eggs, of well i bought some plastic from china and the machine from japan. And had the american press the button to make the part. Therefore its an american made product.

Now im not saying all company's are like that but majority of them are.

[–] x_pikl_x@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

We get parts from Japan, unassembled. They already have made in america stamped into the side. They get put together by a couple robots and sent out the door with a huge markup for the locally manufactured parts. Local heroes keeping the community employed since 1986!

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting addition to the "free market" system we all just love so, so much.

Its obvious its for spying. Until there is a telescope stuck up every non rich citizens ass the US government will not give up.

People should rewatch that interview with the creator of Lavabit and how the feds forced him into a shutdown because he wouldn't play their spy games.

He is still not allowed to talk about all the details of it either. "What about my first amendment rights" he said in the interview.

You know, just things in the land of the free™

[–] CentipedeFarrier@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to it? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it, so idk what to look for.

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spW0q-g2BxU&pp=ygUZTGF2YWJpdCBmb3VuZGVyIGludGVydmlldw%3D%3D

I'm sorry its a YouTube link I would link invidious or something similar but man I can't ever seem to get the links to those to reliably work consistently.

No worries, those services are pretty hit or miss for me as well.

Thanks for the link, I’ll watch this later today :)

[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Same goes for EV's, mobile phones etc. The US is one of the most limited countries in the world with regards to choice.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

So much freedom

[–] org@lemmy.org 50 points 2 days ago

Exemptions will be sold by Trump to major manufacturers outside of the US. They will also come with mandatory back doors.

[–] dlsloop@lemmy.zip 47 points 2 days ago

Welp, time to stock up on some older routers or make my own. This country is looking more Orwellian by the day.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 42 points 2 days ago

OH BOY! State sanctioned surveillance because backdoors are necessary.

[–] burt@programming.dev 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

curious (well not really) that it is only consumer grade. nothing about business grade, of even a deliniation as to where "pro-sumer" falls. if this is a big brother situation then the consumer only thing makes perfect sense. it also drives users back to isp supplied hardware which means more rental fees, so more money CEOs.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Won't be surprised if the ISP provided hardware is going to be the only allowed stuff. For you and me, not for the gov't or companies though. They specifically only mentioned "consumer grade" and also specifically state that products sold to or used by the federal gov't are not restricted at all. Seems like that carve-out is backwards if these things are such big "security risks"...

[–] bbsm3678@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does anyone have any suggestions on a router I should buy before this comes into effect? Would prefer one that is open source or can run an open OS.

Can a raspberry pi be used to make a router?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

this isn't for everyone. if you don't know what a subnet or gateway are then this isn't for you.

get yourself a micro firewall appliance. something with an N100 Intel. should have around 5 network ports, you'll only really need 2 if you're just hooking up internet.

you'll also want to get an unmanaged network switch. this will take your one port on your router and split it into 8,12,24,48, etc.

you'll also want to install opnsense or pfsense on your router, configure it correctly, and maintain updates going forward.

[–] bbsm3678@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why do I need the network switch?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

think of the network switch like a coax splitter on a TV antenna. it takes one port and allows many devices to connect.

in opnsense each port on the router can be setup as a completely different network subnet. this is actually the default and the easiest to configure.

for me personally, I have one port for regular network access. one for secure no internet access (things like cameras, IOT, smart devices). and one for a work network so all my work devices connect directly to the internet and bypass all my other infrastructure.

this gives me flexibility for all the devices on my network, but for most people is overkill.

you can set opnsense up to use all ports under one network, but it's kind of a PITA from my experience.

[–] Notamoosen@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

A pi can definitely be used, but you may get much better performance for a similar price getting a refurbished pc, adding a second nic, and installing something like opnsense.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Look into banana pi r3 or r4. Both should be on openwrt stable now.

[–] civ@lemmy.civl.cc 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When filing for an exemption, the company needs to submit a specific plan for how they're going to move manufacturing to the US 💀

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Make up shit and backtrack once trump is out of office, just like they did during the first administration.

[–] TingoTenga@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

This will benefit a few specific big brands that have the lawyers to figure out the spaghetti mess of free trade agreements and origin rules.

[–] Crt_static@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (12 children)

No way tech companies won't manipulate this to their benefit right? Gonna be having routers shipped in decoy packages. I'm not buying backdoor infested mess they're gonna peddle at an unreasonable price cause there can be no outside competition.

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

This will not stand. Remember, TACO.

[–] webkitten@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

So just buy in a commerce site in Europe and import it

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