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Certainly an interesting group of names here. By my count there's at least 8 guys here who were considered controversial or a part of a scandal or negative news story.

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[–] alex_miller321@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

AP, Sherm, Gronk and Big Ben are the only locks.

[–] ButtonedEye41@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I dont know, this is all super simple to me. Gronk and AP are first ballot locks, and I would think Sherm has a good chance at first ballot, but three in one class is just a lot. Sherman will for sure get in though and won't have to wait very long.

Roethlisberger gets in eventually, but he might have to wait awhile. He was a good QB, but lets be honest, he most a guy hanging around in the top 10, never really making a case for even top 3. Like if you seriously were to name the HoF QBs from the 2000s-2010s, the first people you name are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees. After that you think Eli, but mostly because of how he effects Brady's legacy. Then you remember Roethlisberger won two SBs. He will get the HoF eventually, but it will be once voters kind of forget how his play compared to his peers and take a look at his SBs and stats and think, "why is this guy not in yet?".

AB has some huge ass-kissing to do. Everyone knows his stats and how good he was. But if TO had work to do, then AB needs to get a PhD in ass-kissing if he wants to get in during his lifetime.

And if none of you realize, the reason Brown has to kiss-ass and Roethlisberger and AP don't is because the league and media doesn't care about whether you do crappy things off the field unless it directly effects league personnel and the imagine of the league. A lot of people don't even think about AP hitting his kid or generally being a shit dad because this is all stuff that happened outside of the spotlight and didn't effect how he played in games. Same with Roethlisberger. Neither of these guys were sentenced or were really kept off the field for any memorable period.

When people think about AP and Roethlisberger, their first thought is about what they did on the field. Same goes for Ray Lewis. The controversies are then an asterisk next to their name because the guys didn't put their issues into the spotlight. With AB its different. The first thing you think of a literally batshit crazy guy who's asterisk is that he was good at football because he put all of his crazy in the spotlight, which is similar to TO who put all of his drama in the spotlight. The league thinks these people make them look bad. Not that he is even close to the HoF, but another comparison is Vick. Is what Vick did any worse than what AP or Roethlisberger? I'll refrain from giving any answer myself because its a question of how you assign moral values to different bad crimes, but Vick's primary legacy always involves the dog fighting and his before/after jail time. You don't have that storyline with AP or Roethlisberger because they didn't literally go to prison. They just went back and kept continuing their career. If AP was sentenced to jail, then I would feel it would effect is HoF chances/wait, but I really don't think the voters care at all because it didn't effect the product on the field.

[–] DioStarstriker@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Brandon Brooks confused the hell outta me for a moment, thought what the hell is Brandon Cooks doing on this list?

[–] Unverifiablethoughts@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah you’re in the era of tremendously athletic shitheads.

But any list that has cam newton above Big ben should be immediately thrown out.

[–] elroddo74@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Its the Nfl, they care less about that stuff than say Mlb. Big Ben Rapelessberger won't have issues, neither will AP the switchmaster.

[–] sullyy42@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

rothlesburger and peterson will be first ballot despite their scandals (too long ago quite forgotten), MBC will wait some years like TO did but also has a shot for first ballot because of a weak class

[–] wiggylord@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Man at least 3 that deserve first ballot honors.

[–] hawkayecarumba@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It will be interesting to see how Antonio Brown is treated.

TO, who had a case as a top 3 reciever of ALL TIME got stone walled his first 2 years, and he looks like a saint compared to AB.

[–] thingsorfreedom@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

AP, Sherman and Roethlisberger and Gronk.

[–] SleestakLightning@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Not sure how "legend score" is determined but Roethlisberger's score is way too low.

[–] Charizard45@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The bottom of this list seems weird. Jack Doyle? 2700 career receiving yards Jack Doyle?

[–] WaywardSon55@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Thats a stacked hof team

[–] thedreamcomparison@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Peterson/Sherman/Gronk...make Ben wait

[–] Wilde_Cat@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

A nomination is NOT a vote for election. The Hall of Fame’s Selection Process includes multiple steps in which the nominees are scrutinized. The Hall facilitates the procedure of three successive reviews of increasing scrutiny with the 50-person Selection Committee. The first is a vote to reduce the long list of Modern-Era Player Nominees (typically around 120) to 25 Semifinalists, followed by a later vote to reduce to 15 Finalists. At the annual meeting shortly before the Super Bowl, the Finalists are scrutinized even further by the Selectors, who after a thorough discussion of each Finalist, reduce the list from 15 to 10 and then 10 to 5. At that point, the five remaining Finalists are voted on for election into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on a yes-or-no basis. A minimum positive vote of 80% is necessary for election.

[–] kntryfried1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Wrong Jimmy. Jimmy will get his love soon enough.

[–] kntryfried1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

No Fred Taylor? This list lol

[–] Gluscus@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Remember it is hall of fame not hall of stats

[–] tspruill@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The HOF is about what you did as a player not like who you were outside of that. Plenty of people in Canton already had controversies and that didn’t stop them from getting in. Plus with maybe the exception of AB none of what they did got them kicked out the league so idk I might be an idiot but I don’t think controversy has kept anyone out indefinitely, at the most maybe most of these guys just don’t get in as soon as we think

[–] arc777_@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

AP and Gronk are first ballot locks. I think Big Ben will also get in first ballot because the league loves QBs who win rings and have good counting stats, sexual assaults aside. Richard Sherman is arguably a top 10 if not top 5 corner of all time, but I’d be surprised if he’s first ballot.

[–] jmskywalker1976@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The only locks are Gronk and Rapelisburger.

[–] physedka@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Likely first ballot (in order of likelihood):

  • Big Ben
  • Gronk
  • Peterson

Likely will eventually get in:

  • Whitworth (borderline first ballot)
  • Sherman
  • Cam
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