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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

We had it for hundreds of years.

And modern technology can easily help with that.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

You mean again? We have had carbon free sea travel for centuries before fossil fuels

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago
[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 points 2 days ago
[–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You'll have to be a bit more specific. Do you mean travel as in people going to other places? Sure just not in giant cruise ships.

If you mean transporting commodities and goods, you are shit out of luck until someone does a valence jump in battery energy density.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Electricity produced at offshore wind farms is being used to turn water + atmosphere into ammonia (NH3). There are already a few cargo ships in operation that use ammonia as fuel instead of oil, and many more in production.

Using ammonia to store energy instead of lithium batteries gives about 10x the energy density per kilogram, and 3x energy density per liter.

[–] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 1 points 20 hours ago

This is ...wishful thinking. As in I really wish it were true. And it is kinda, but you're talking about 0.0001% of the oceangoing fleet and nearly as little for wind farms doing this.

The infrastructure for this kind of fuel isn't there. In fact, there is an intense battle between ammonia, hydrogen, biofuels and LNG (thus far in the lead) for what will replace fuel oil/gas oil. Until the infrastructure is built of something very, very seriously constrains supply, we are stuck with carbon for at least 20-25 years no matter how hard we pivot tomorrow. Not saying we shouldn't pivot, but that's the commercial reality.

But at this point alternatives are few on the ground and consist mainly of small ferries with batteries or huge duel fuel (LNG) containerships, and there are less than a couple of dozen of these in the world now.

[–] Hypx@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

You can also turn water + atmosphere into synthetic fuels, such as methanol or even kerosene. Such fuels can be used without modification to existing ships. Alternatively, you can just electrolyze water and get hydrogen, which can also be used if you can deal with the lower volumetric density.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 2 days ago

I wonder if that'll become feasible in the near future. I can't find any up-to-date articles. But the ones from one or two years ago seem to indicate 1kg of green Ammonia from solar farms in Egypt costs 4.50€. While a liter of crude oil was something like 13ct. So I think oil needs to become a lot more expensive to make this happen.