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For months, the Erica Marsh account had raised suspicions among online misinformation experts due to her lack of a real-world footprint and her devotion to attention-grabbing viewpoints one called “cartoonishly liberal.”

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Did Erica Marsh even talk about technology? Or is this just categorized as technology because of twitter? Because this sounds like a post you'd see in politics or news....

edit: looking at the web archive post, this has as much to do with technology as posting from any site on the internet. This is a politics post.

[–] Dusty@l.dusty-radio.com 30 points 2 years ago

Can I have just one community without American politics shoved into it?

What does this have to do with technology? Seriously? Because she... used a computer?

[–] BrokebackHampton@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

viral left-wing Twitter account

”cartoonishly liberal”

Friendly reminder that liberals are not leftists, because apparently it still needs to be said

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm still not clear on why that is, or what the difference is supposed to be. "Liberal" is "left of center" and "conservative" is "right of center", innit? Help me out here.

[–] BrokebackHampton@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's a topic that's maybe a bit too dense and broad to reduce to a single short comment, but trying to simplify things a bit:

  • Leftism is quite a nebulous term, its boundaries are delimited differently depending on who you ask. IMO It could be characterized as opposition to the capitalist economic framework (stemming from the question “Can the system be reformed?”, only answers starting with a “No” would be considered leftist). One of the main indicators of something being leftism lies in its adherence to the marxist principle of the working class being the owner of the means of production (or more famously, “seizing the means of production”).
    This point in itself would mean democratic socialists (demsocs) are considered leftists but social democrats (socdems) are not. I'm sure lots of people will agree and a lot more won't about that boundary for “leftism”.

  • The conflation of terms like liberal, leftist, communist… into one and the same is a topic deserving of its own dissertation that can only be explained as the resulting image from the warped looking glass that is the current American political landscape, concept that is often illustrated by talking about the shift of the Overton Window. These things in turn can be explained as the lasting echoes of McCarthyism and its Red Scare tactics that had a profound effect on American political discourse.

  • Liberalism (another term so broad it would be impossible to fully explain in a few sentences) in its modern conception, and especially as “liberalism” is understood outside of the US, would mean an adherence to market economy ideology and the belief in private property. That would include all the range of positions from “The system is fine just as it is” to “The system is inherently fine it just needs some minor touch-ups” and all of them would find themselves opposed to leftism, which following the analogy would be the position saying “The system IS the problem”.

[–] astramist@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If we want to know where any form of society is on the political spectrum (left or right), we need to answer one question: what's the state role in society? The weaker the state, the more to the left on the spectrum. The stronger the state, the more to the right the formation is. In addition, we can also differentiate between formations by the economic form of society. These two points will give us an exhaustive answer.

Examples:

  • Anarchism is no state and no economic formation. Hence, it's an ultra-leftist faction.
  • Communism is no state and no commercial production. Hence, it's an ultra-leftist faction.
  • Libertarianism is no state and free market. Hence, it's an ultra-leftist faction.
  • Socialism is weak state and no commercial production. Hence, it's a left-wing faction.
  • Conservatism is strongly state and monopoly/oligopoly market. Hence, it's a right-wing faction.
  • Fascism is strongly state and state capitalism. Hence, it's an ultra-right faction.

There are occasional exceptions to these definitions. For instance, at the beginning of socialism there can be a strong state, that must then disappear. The USSR was like that, but it didn't get to complete socialism.

So liberalism is a centrist ideology. For some topics it's left of center, for some topics it's right of center.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

After The Washington Post raised questions about the account with employees of Twitter’s trust and safety department, the account was suspended on Sunday for unknown reasons.

Twitter’s trust and safety department still has employees?

[–] Itty53@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Just an inbox that forwards to Elon so he can laugh at inquiries. Jokes aside, they moved on this one because she was caught as a fake in big and loud fashion (WaPo) and if Twitter didn't, they couldn't keep up any appearance of bipartisanship. WaPo would've just beat the drum louder. This way Twitter hardly even has to comment, and they can deny they promoted the account.

[–] LetsGOikz@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"left-wing"

A self-proclaimed "proud Democrat" that is a poor caricature of a milquetoast neoliberal is not left-wing, but I guess I shouldn't expect even the bare minimum of political literacy from WaPo.

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

So one thing people misunderstand about "bots" is that we assume they're entirely artificial. That is not true. A lot of them are ran by real people and write tweets written by real people. Often times, the real bots are the ones that follow or support the main account, and are there to create an illusion of widespread support.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago
[–] Dusty@l.dusty-radio.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why is this posted twice?

What does it have to do with technology?

Why is a mod posting this crap into this community? Guess it's time to block this community from my instance if it's going to turn into political crap.

[–] Itty53@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's the same post. You commented here twice. Which is ironic in hilarious ways. I guess you don't quite understand this technology..

Faking a person in the digital world and then using that likeness to affect real world politics has everything to do with technology by the way. We don't only discuss the bleeding edge of new consumer toys, it's a pretty broad topic. And politics being the process of how people function together in society ... I mean it's gonna be everywhere.

If you want to unsubscribe I guess, bye.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, it has to do with politics. Faking identities has been a thing since early chat rooms, and the article doesn't go into any technological breakthrough they used. It was pretty much just social engineering.

[–] Itty53@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There you go again, pretending technology only has to do with the next breakthrough. I mean did you read what I wrote? I literally talked about that explicitly.

Technology is technology. If it's relevant today then why shouldn't it be here? If the US was constructing water wheels again all of the sudden it would be a technology topic and relevant to this sub.

If you don't like it and you're leaving, great. There's the door, what makes you think anyone cares? Or ought to?

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

On a technicality point of course not.

On a point of quality you'd basically flood the community with threads most people aren't interested in on that logic. And probably turn technology into an American Politics/News community.

It's too low a bar to be considered technology. It's not even going into how twitter allowed it to happen. It's just the fact this one user exists and talks about politics.

[–] Itty53@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Be the change you want to see then brother, post what quality content you think ought to be seen and shared. You're allowed to.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting the community is dead and needs politics/news?

[–] Itty53@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you admitting you don't even contribute and yet you deign to judge the people who do?

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure do. I don't see any issue with doing that. If it's a healthy community there shouldn't be any reason to justify low quality content on it.

[–] Itty53@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Big "I'm the main character" energy here. Enjoy yourself, because people around you don't.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not taking main character by any means. Are you saying the community just shouldn't be moderated for low quality content?

Besides you're the one who went the route of focusing on my character specifically, whereas I was arguing for the community.

Hell this discussion was about the community until you started turning it onto me, brother

Anyway will just not respond any further, since I'm pretty sure this entire discussion has run it's course and let's face it: none of what either of us are saying has to do with the topic or the community at this point anyway.....

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not taking main character by any means. Are you saying the community just shouldn't be moderated for low quality content?

Besides you're the one who went the route of focusing on my character specifically, whereas I was arguing for the community.

[–] Mewtwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

I had a feeling this user was fake. Had all the typical conservative ideas of what a liberal, while lacking actual liberal ideals.

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