This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Repost of a my previous comment on this elsewhere:
They have been “claiming”/ “announcing” this breakthrough since 2017 repeatedly. They STILL haven’t figured out how to mass produce it affordably to make it meaningful. They keep pushing out the date for when it will arrive for many years now.
OP's article first claims 2025 and then claims 2027.
As per the image in my post Toyota first announced this in 2017 with a target of 2022.. They just keep re-announcing it saying it is coming in about 3-5 years.
Worth pointing out there was a global pandemic in the middle of that timeline
Add on top of the nature of these ultra capitalist worldwide corporations, even if they were able to mass produce this affordably that would mean decommisioning tens of millions in already existing production infrastructure. Why would they do that when they can delay next gen tech for greater profit?
mm totally! seems like a very “i’ll just wait for the next gen to buy an EV” kind of thing
… like, even if it’s possible it’s not possible… just the amount of energy required to be transferred into that battery wouldn’t charge in any existing charging infrastructure
Ya that is the other major point. Toyota doesn’t have a charging network, and they didn’t build out a hydrogen network for their hydrogen car.
So even if they have this battery it would not be able to do what they claimed in practical use.
Their hydrogen cars work fine.. as long as you live in a tiny area in california and have no desire to leave it lol
It'll come out when Tesla releases Full Self Driving for real
I don't think Tesla is going to be the one announcing that.
Just in time for the commercially viable cold fusion.
Was going to reference your post.
Toyota spoofing.
I'll believe it when I see it.
bullshit
Very weird turn of events given that Toyota has a history of being anti-EVs.
Their announcements about products that are way better than anything that actually exists with no solid plans to actually bring it to market is actually just another flavor of anti-EV FUD.
It's not the right time to buy an EV because our imaginary product is SO much better than any of those boring products, you should wait for it and keep buying our gas vehicles for now.
It’s depressing how cynical that is.
It's depressing because its probably true and even if Toyota did create such a miracle tech, it would be insanely expensive to produce and thus purchase for the consumer. Not to mention with such an insane charge rate it would most likely never reach it due to the charge stations not supporting it and power infrastructure being unable to cope with such a load.
They were pro hydrogen but I think they realized that ship has sailed and EVs are here to stay for now
I think they were pro-hydrogen, and now they're using hydrogen as an excuse not to do battery EVs.
People who have heard of hydrogen cars but haven't looked at how inefficient and expensive they are still think that they're the future.
I swear every other week I see a new video claiming Hydrogen cars are the future, despite our current tech just being inadequate to give them enough range, and how unsafe they are- ontop of how 95% of the world has next to 0 infrastructure to fuel said hydrogen fuel cars.
That's not to mention the costly & environmentally unfriendly production of hydrogen in the first place which at current production rates could never even if multiplied by multiple degrees- fully support a hydrogen majority of cars on the road.
Hydrogen Cars, the uncleanest, most unpractical and expensive "clean energy!" alternative fuel...
Most of hydrogen's problems are solvable - we can pack a car with hydrogen tanks, make hydrogen with electrolysis, build infrastructure, etc.
The big killer is price. Those hydrogen filling stations aren't $1000 each like home chargers or $50,000 each like DC fast chargers, they're something like 2 million dollars each. And you need them everywhere, there's no home filling to carry most of your usage.
The hydrogen you put in them? You have to pay for not just the electricity that makes it into your car's electric motor, but all the energy that was wasted along the way:
Nobody's looking to spend all that money on filling stations, and nobody's interested in paying 2-3x as much to fill their car.
Toyota has historically been pretty conservative on tech changes. They were one of the last to move away from carburetors for example
Something like 200 KWh. Charging that in 10 minutes would be along the lines of 1 MW. It's roughly the output of a 50 metre diameter wind turbine. A medium sized nuclear power plant would only be able to handle around 1000 of those at the same time.
That's an impressive feat but I doubt they expect the 10 mins to be practical. If they could implement this battery at good value it would be a game changer. Though the capacity seems much higher than most of us need so it makes me wonder what impacts on the environment it would have. As we all know, electric cars are better but are no saints with a somewhat competitive emission amount over its lifetime.
It’s roughly the output of a 50 metre diameter wind turbine.
So you're saying that if we put a 50m wind turbine on the roof of one of those Toyotas, we'd have a car with infinite range?
This is dumb anyway - nobody is going to pump 1MW into a car, the grid can't support it, never mind a supercharger-style station with between 8 and 20 plugs. A 20-plug Supercharger needs around 1.5MW to serve each station with 72kW.
And really, when I'm on a road trip, after 3h in the car, I need a break that's long enough to hit the bathroom, grab a bite to eat, and stretch my legs. The car is usually charged to 90% in under 45 minutes anyway, even if I roll into the charging station at under 5%...
I'd expect a "Ultra-tier" fast charging station to have internal batteries (or perhaps supercapacitors or something like that) which buffer up from the grid. Eg. when not in use and over-night. Probably won't last much into a day even with that, but we may see smaller buildings connected to charging stations that hold internal batteries to deliver faster charging than the connected grid can deliver.
As long as there is demand and profit to be made, it could happen. The biggest cost is of course the batteries, but if solid-state batteries turn into reality I think things might be more cost effective. Especially since fixed position batteries aren't subject to the same contraints as car batteries. Don't need to handle vibration, weight is not a big problem. Key goals are lifetime value, energy density + and (dis)charging rates.
Cheaper electricity during night might not be a thing everywhere or in the future, but small savings by stocking up cheaper during nighttime, gives better margins.
Assuming that this is for private vehicles, and not trying to set the stage for something like a freight truck.
Something like that might have a more reasonable demand for that 1MW, especially if they need massive batteries for interstate/international travel.
This would be useful for the logistics industry, especially the non-US logistics industry (though useful for short-haul there). There is a LOT of logistics that isn't big-rig long-haulers.
Amazon would for sure buy millions at that range, as an example. That's multiple days of use with overnight charging drawing it even longer.
...and also, such intensely fast charging might shorten the lifespan of the battery considerably? This is an impressive engineering feat, but most ICE cars get half that range per fill-up. Targeting that level with rapid recharge might be more realistic to make practical, and would still be a huge step forward in practicality for a lot of non-urban drivers.
No, you can't see it.
She goes to another factory!
Really too bad it’s going to require a subscription and monthly fees to get it. And that’s after the car payment.
Puts our Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV’s 30km after a 5 hour charge to shame!
Same with my Ford Escape PHEV’s 60km after 10-11 hours at home (4ish hours on a level 2).
